# Planting a seed of destruction leads to TTT Destroyed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [June 24, 2023, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540 "2023-06-24T10:47:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/81 "2023-07-04T07:32:33Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > and taken way PL and fraternity’s isk supply. And mine… Well… One of my isk supplies. ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/82 "2023-07-04T15:26:22Z")
The accusation that ccp itself asked goonz to do something without proof is speculation and assumption. So i ask where is the evidence. G squad did a thing doesnt mean they were asked to do the thing by anyone, they I am sure are capable of deciding what their org does on their own. Unless you have a smoking gun of course. ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/83 "2023-07-04T15:29:40Z")
What is an isk supply, you mean passive isk generation by owning a stake in the ttt keepstar player station market fees thing? There are a few more popped up in perimeter and as far as i know anyone can throw down a market but it has to be supplied w “gas” to run it and defense from war decs etc not a cheap endeavor, as always w eve its risk get rewarded and the higher rewards draw in the biggest sharks to destroy your percei ed easy passive isk. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/84 "2023-07-04T17:33:01Z")
> [@F3ND1MUS](#): > > anyone can throw down a market but it has to be supplied w “gas” to run it and defense from war decs You are can toss it down, sure. And it will be destroyed. The outcome is inevitable. We have two parties who will assume control of the remains. The rightful group who should have the authority will only have issues taking control because CCP has given nullsec every advantage to do so against them. The rightful authority should go back to the same groups as back in 2015. The only reason for things to happen outside of that is CCP’s active and direct changes to game mechanics to push the conflict in the favour of Pandemic Horde. Now that its no longer PH who they are assisting… im very curious what they decide to do. I do not believe they have anything but animosity toward Goons and mercs. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/85 "2023-07-04T17:40:41Z")
> [@F3ND1MUS](#): > > So i ask where is the evidence. If it walks like a duck Quacks like a duck Then it probably is a Duck ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/86 "2023-07-04T19:15:03Z")
Those wannebe Azbels are more than welcome to. Their cores fill my hangers. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/3/f/63fb8f4d0648d51db2e53c2fc31b007033766b4b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/87 "2023-07-05T13:21:14Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > CCP… using Goon’s Instead of crying about nullbears in Highsec, why don’t you start ganking their freighters? ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/88 "2023-07-05T14:50:15Z")
There used to be a day when we hunted and killed freighters… back when war was not under prohibition with insane one-sided mechanics designed to force nullblocks in power. Anyone can mulitibox and gank… its just that 99% of players think its boring and would rather play a different game. Actually, now that I think about it. PvP in general is the same way now and thats why eve sucks also… The only different between ganking them with a fleet of bombers and ganking the war hq with 60 mulitiboxed Paladins is… idk you tell me. The Paladin is cooler and bigger? But both activities are bottom-end content. Ohhh, The Freighter actually has a person in it but hes prob AFK. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/89 "2023-07-05T15:18:17Z")
For somebody with no killboard, how do you know so much about PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/90 "2023-07-05T16:52:51Z")
> [@Pur3Bl00D](#): > > the trick is borderline exploit Every complex game generates emergent roleplay, and all emergent roleplay is ‘exploiting’ some combination of factors. Instant dock is basically ‘exploiting’ the ability to place a bookmark within the docking radius of a station, for example. But it is extremely hard to argue that this is not ‘intended’ roleplay when CCP have allowed it for years. So some ‘exploits’ end up becoming an actual part of the game…and that is precisely the case with cloak/MWD, which even has an Eve University page devoted to it. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/91 "2023-07-05T17:06:13Z")
> [@Distaine](#): > > Anyone can mulitibox and gank Have you actually tried it ? I made a complete dog’s dinner of my first attempt with two accounts. Being FC and F1 monkey at the same time is not as easy as it seems. But…practice makes perfect and I will get there. > [@Distaine](#): > > The only different between ganking them with a fleet of bombers and ganking the war hq with 60 mulitiboxed Paladins is… idk you tell me. The Paladin is cooler and bigger? There you have one of the quandries of Eve. I recall a station bash where there were 7 Paladins that could have defended the station, but they all left. Why ? Probably because they were individually worth more than the station itself. So what is the point of having these big blingy Paladins to ‘defend’ stuff when their loss is a bigger factor than that of what they are defending ? ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/92 "2023-07-05T17:17:15Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Have you actually tried it ? Yes, I can run 15 accounts on this computer. I can see why others do it for isk or simply because they enjoy it. I wish they took paid hits. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > So what is the point of having these big blingy Paladins to ‘defend’ stuff when their loss is a bigger factor than that of what they are defending ? Because you are forced to do this by the game mechanics and having Isk is not a power to be wasted. The other reason is that clients pay you to do that so it comes as part of the job. It is kinda funny that for a small fee, you get a fleet worth over 100b to shoot a building worth 2.5b lol. But thats just the game play we have forced on us. Most of the players I know are not interested in doctrine fleets and shooting buildings. They only reluctantly accept it. Most pvp guys sit in station for hours coming up with the best fits they can for solo and small gangs but we very rarely get a decent fight. Its always standoffs and structure bashes with doctrine fits… making timers meant to hinder you by being inconvenient and asking your allies to handle the jobs in different time frames. Damn I miss the days of ship vs ship, gang vs gang. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/93 "2023-07-05T17:25:50Z")
> [@Distaine](#): > > Because you are forced to do this by the game mechanics. I tend to disagree. We demolished 19 Paladins at Finanar in quite a short time. Parabellum destroyed a bunch of Apocs, but then the Apocs are less than 1/3 of the cost of the Paladins. In a war of cost attrition, that is a significant factor. On the other hand, their fleets of cheap Catalysts didn’t work either, probably because Catalysts have such low tank and can be picked off quite quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/94 "2023-07-05T17:31:53Z")
I was in that fleet fighting against Para. Didnt miss any engagements for the entire war until cleanup time. I dont think those nullsec guys understand the level of wealth the highsec mercs have. We deff had to drop values of our ships because it made sense. TFI ftw. That was an amazing war and I cant wait for the next one. I do think that CCP forcing bigger fights has its high points but I also think its not worth giving up all that we have to get that one grand war. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/95 "2023-07-05T17:33:14Z")
Dude lol. Did you see Gary from SRS when he killed 15 of those cats solo in his Hecate? 😀 I kind of see the isk war differently that most. Like the enemy thinks me losing a bil is equal to them losing a bil. Its just not the case. Having the isk to afford high grades and bling is not a power to be wasted and imo is the goal standard. Its cocky, but I like to say… If you want to fight an isk war then you already lost. Cheap is weakness. But yeah it doesnt make sense to bleed 4b Paladins when you can drop Apocs instead if you need to take losses and can still accomplish the primary goal of the battle. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/96 "2023-07-05T18:33:56Z")
Now I just wish they would remove this crappy Keepstar wreck from the Jita gate grid because not only does it look like absolute utter garbage with these hideous clouds, the wreck and probably the clouds primarily impact the client performance and cause lag. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/97 "2023-07-05T19:25:36Z")
I think they could go to Cruisers using the fit that was shared with us many moons ago. > **Thorax** > > ![Thorax](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/9/a/e9a1a96a126d7e0d37f1eb67dacaf6dd36440ee9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2023, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/98 "2023-07-06T08:33:07Z")
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**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2023, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/99 "2023-07-06T08:35:28Z")
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**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2023, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/planting-a-seed-of-destruction-leads-to-ttt-destroyed/410540/100 "2023-07-06T09:04:09Z")
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