# Player Bounties **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 7, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940 "2023-01-07T23:30:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/203 "2023-01-20T15:25:09Z")
Bounties are buff to ganking. However indirect, because it helps gankers, it has no chance to be accepted by the gank (pvp) haters and crybears who are spamming forums with their alts and who is CCP catering to lately. You from all peoples should know that. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/204 "2023-01-20T15:27:22Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Had you ever gone afk at a gate just to feel the excited too? I am currenty trying the lowsec gates but too much of a let of late If I have to AFK I dock. Go do my business then undock and carry on. If you absolutely feel like you _need_ a kill I wouldn’t mind jumping a gate so you can gatecamp me in a destroyer. I like you but I’m not jumping more than 5 gates so bring your a-- over here. Will have to be after the weekend like Monday or Tuesday though 'cause I’m not home til then​😃 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/205 "2023-01-20T19:44:26Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > You from all peoples should know that. Doesn’t stop me from arguing for what I think is right. I usually try to pick the side of “what makes EVE a better game” (in my eyes of course), not caring for the interest of any group, playstyle or ideology. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/206 "2023-01-20T20:12:11Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Aiko’s average kill target is in the **billions** of ISK. Generally accompanied by a sizeable group of other gankers. It’s major business, it’s got nothing to do with new players or cheap ships. Averages don’t tell you a whole lot on their own. There are more ganks on unprofitable cheap ships than there are on expensive ones. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Gankers and extortion-groups like Safety. or BlackFlag aren’t targeting newbies. They’re targeting high-isk targets for pure profit potential because the EVE rules are tilted in their profit/favor for doing so Assuming they are going for profit, they will go after the easiest, juiciest targets, which will often be inexperienced players doing something stupid. With ganking, quite a lot of the time they aren’t going for profit though, as evidenced by them killing targets too low value to have any potential for profit and not having an alt on grid to scoop any loot that does drop. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The quantum core on a Raitaru is a _mere_ 800m ISK. Yes…_mere_. What the heck is anyone doing setting up a station if their corp is penniless after doing so ? It’s not really about being penniless so much as having an NPC-driven mechanic painting a massive bullseye on your station because CCP decided it was a good idea to make station bashing a PvE activity. If cores didn’t drop the cost of the station would be the same but the immediate profitability to attackers would drop. > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Bounties are buff to ganking. However indirect, because it helps gankers, it has no chance to be accepted I’d be fine with a bounty system also being profitable to gankers, as long as it worked as an actual bounty system (as in, encouraged people to actively hunt bounty targets) and was not exploitable by killing your alts. I just don’t see that being possible. Having a bounty system that doesn’t work as a bounty system and still provides a benefit to gankers is just a payout system for gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/207 "2023-01-20T20:55:36Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > There are more ganks on unprofitable cheap ships than there are on expensive ones. Well, feel free to provide a list of ganks that Aiko has participated in that you feel targeted newer players in cheap ships. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Assuming they are going for profit, they will go after the easiest, juiciest targets, which will often be inexperienced players doing something stupid. With ganking, quite a lot of the time they aren’t going for profit though, as evidenced by them killing targets You’re more than welcome to provide your “as evidenced” evidence to support the ganking of newer and cheaper ships. I looked for that evidence: except in relatively few occurrences, I never found it. It turns out to be something quite hard to gather decent data on. That said, there seems to be a lot more _talking_ about hunting newbies in cheap ships, than actually _doing_ so. But again, please provide your evidence: > [@Ganking and PVP: Numbers in perspective](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852): > > With all the discussions on ganking and PvP, some people have confused the amount of discussion with the actual extent of the issue. For that and various other badly skewed perspectives, I decided to take a look at some actual numbers. (This will be more point-form than usual, since topic is so broad.) (EDIT Update: input from various sources caused a review of these numbers which increased the potential size of the ganking issue significantly. Please see reply 78 near bottom for update.) Not… . > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > as long as it worked as an actual bounty system (as in, encouraged people to actively hunt bounty targets) And yet, somehow, you determined that having higher payouts on bounty kills and being able to place corp-wide bounties would do nothing to encourage players to collect bounties. If _paying_ people to do it achieves nothing, what sort of system are you envisioning? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/208 "2023-01-20T22:11:11Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’s not really about being penniless so much as having an NPC-driven mechanic painting a massive bullseye on your station because CCP decided it was a good idea to make station bashing a PvE activity. If cores didn’t drop the cost of the station would be the same but the immediate profitability to attackers would drop. Station bashing groups were attacking stations long before the introduction of quantum cores. I would carry on doing it even without any share of the loot. So your narrative is a false one. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/209 "2023-01-20T23:42:27Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > There are more ganks on unprofitable cheap ships than there are on expensive ones. Yet another bogus narrative. There are by definition more cheap ships than there are expensive ones. Also by definition, cheaper ships require less gankers to gank and therefore less of a loss for the gankers. Any such small loss is more than made up for by the large gain on expensive ships. In fact as long as the gankers are _overall_ in profit…any losses really are not a problem. You also avoid the fact that not all ganking is for profit. A good deal of it is about territory…and some corps are willing to take the loss in order to send the message ’ this is our space '. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Assuming they are going for profit, they will go after the easiest, juiciest targets, which will often be inexperienced players doing something stupid. That is a total contradiction of your first statement. One minute you are telling us that cheap ships are ‘unprofitable’…and in the very next paragraph you are telling us that easy noob targets are profitable. Then you go back to gankers ganking unprofitable stuff. Talk about trying to cover every which way in order to be ‘right’ about _something_. It’s the same old tactic…slither as many ways as you can and hope nobody notices. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/210 "2023-01-20T23:55:26Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > That said, there seems to be a lot more _talking_ about hunting newbies in cheap ships, than actually _doing_ so. Anyone doing so needs to also provide the means by which they established that any ‘newbie’ _is_ actually new. It is simply not good enough to talk about ’ 1 day old noobs’, when people have no way of knowing if that person is genuinely 1 day old or is an alt of some 20 year old vet. In fact, it is mathematically arguable that there are _way more_ ‘fake’ noobs about than genuine ones. A single person is obviously only a genuine noob once, but that person can over time create lots of new characters every one of which will _appear_ ‘1 day old’ at some point. I was new _once_…yet in the intervening 16 months I have created 8 more characters. MacGybo pointed out that 15% of all his ganks ( and he only ganks if the kill is over 400m ISK ) are ’ 1 day old noobs '. No _genuine_ 1 day old noob would be taking 400m ISK of implants to/from Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/211 "2023-01-20T23:55:33Z")
lol Remember when like a year ago I told you that in about a year you’ll understand who the _real_ enemy is and you were like “nooo I already DO” and I was like “we’ll check again in a year” and now you’re hardline-arguing with a bunch of Dunning-Krugers for hours on end? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/f/1/af17cfb6afd73d5671a124a1b1828e6df57de631.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/212 "2023-01-20T23:57:18Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > and now you’re hardline-arguing with a bunch of Dunning-Krugers for hours on end? Hey…you were my mentor. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/213 "2023-01-20T23:58:26Z")
Wow. God, I’m _old._ No one told me the thirties were going to be _this_ rough. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/214 "2023-01-21T00:00:20Z")
Anyway…I don’t ‘argue’. There is nothing to argue over. To me it is more like this… ![keatongif](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/1/4/21421542b26ff727d094c1d164f53d8730418be7.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/215 "2023-01-21T01:43:52Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Well, feel free to provide a list of ganks that Aiko has participated in that you feel targeted newer players in cheap ships. Why? The claim will just be made that you can’t tell if they are new players, or you can’t determine intent. you can easily check her killboard and see plenty of ganks on ships new players use that have no possibility of profit. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > except in relatively few occurrences, I never found it. It turns out to be something quite hard to gather decent data on. Sure, because there’s no way to tell who is a new player and who is an alt. You can absolutely look at data showing the potential drop of a ganked ship and the cost of the ships used to gank it. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > And yet, somehow, you determined that having higher payouts on bounty kills and being able to place corp-wide bounties would do nothing to encourage players to collect bounties. The bounty payout would need to be significant for people to take the time to actively hunt down a target. My view is that it would need to be high enough that it would be impossible to prevent abuse. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Station bashing groups were attacking stations long before the introduction of quantum cores. Nowhere near to the same degree. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I would carry on doing it even without any share of the loot. I guarantee your alliance would take a hard stance against the removal of core drops. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Any such small loss is more than made up for by the large gain on expensive ships. Why would they gank at a loss anyway? If you’re trying to argue that they aren’t ganking cheap ships then you argument is “they make up for all the cheap ones by killing some whales” then your argument doesn’t track. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You also avoid the fact that not all ganking is for profit. I know, most of it is for salt. And that’s fine. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > That is a total contradiction of your first statement. One minute you are telling us that cheap ships are ‘unprofitable’…and in the very next paragraph you are telling us that easy noob targets are profitable. How is that a contradiction? If they are going for profit what they want is players who don’t know what they are doing but are flying expensive stuff. When they go after ventures and stuff that’s not being done for profit. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/216 "2023-01-21T02:33:52Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Nowhere near to the same degree. And your evidence for that is ? > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I guarantee your alliance would take a hard stance against the removal of core drops. And your evidence for that is ? As with the rest of your comments, you just invent a narrative with zero actual evidence that its how things actually are. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > If they are going for profit what they want is players who don’t know what they are doing but are flying expensive stuff. No, you specifically referred to new…‘inexperienced’…players. Noobs flying expensive stuff ? And where’s your actual evidence that these players are genuinely either new or inexperienced ? Making use of those amazing psychic powers again ? ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/217 "2023-01-21T02:54:10Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > And your evidence for that is ? It’s weird that you don’t need evidence when you make the claim that cores didn’t make a difference. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > As with the rest of your comments, you just invent a narrative with zero actual evidence that its how things actually are. I’m not inventing a narrative. I’m sting facts. You don’t like those facts so you call them an invented narrative. You’re dishonest at every turn in every discussion you are in. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No, you specifically referred to new…‘inexperienced’…players. Noobs flying expensive stuff ? And what’s the problem with that statement? Plenty of inexperienced pilots do silly stuff in expensive ships. One of the forum regulars here who is a new player keeps dunking ships into gatecamps for example. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > And where’s your actual evidence that these players are genuinely either new or inexperienced ? Making use of those amazing psychic powers again ? The fact that in order to be a victim of a gank you have to be inexperienced. ---
**Author:** ![Galdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galdor/32/351203_2.png) [@Galdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galdor)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/218 "2023-01-21T05:09:01Z")
I told them 15 years ago that the system was broken, its about time. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/219 "2023-01-21T06:30:16Z")
I am really starting to agree with you more and more lately. If you want to dock up and chat one on one I would be happy to agree with you some more sweet Clone Nr007 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/220 "2023-01-21T07:31:58Z")
🤭 😏 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/221 "2023-01-21T10:50:28Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I am really starting to agree with you more and more lately I’m starting to understand this game more and more so there my might be a correlation 😃 > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > If you want to dock up and chat one on one I would be happy to agree with you some more sweet Clone Nr007 You have yourself a date, you dashing pilot… after we have our little ship-to-ship encounter 💥 😉🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-bounties/390940/222 "2023-01-21T10:56:32Z")
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