# Player Harassmemt, by bumping **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980 "2019-03-09T20:11:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/45 "2019-03-19T17:12:40Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Better is subjective. > > Your idea of what is better is someone else’s idea of worse. > > We get it, you don’t like playing a game that has an overall PvP environment; so why don’t you play a game that doesn’t have this? Because PVP is not the only group that is capable of fighting a holy war…and likes tell you that my opinion is not that exclusive some would whish and claim to be… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/46 "2019-03-19T17:13:30Z")
Well if you want to bring it down to likes… I have a fuckton more than you, even in the short lifespan of your current alt. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/47 "2019-03-19T17:14:33Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Well if you want to bring it down to likes… > > I have a fuckton more than you, even in the short lifespan of your current alt. I’m not bringing it down to likes…the likes are a symptom of a reality that some don’t want to see… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/48 "2019-03-19T17:16:49Z")
Friend, you wouldn’t know reality if it kicked you in the balls while singing [das hokey cokey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaxWoJPUC0) ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/49 "2019-03-19T17:23:54Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Friend, you wouldn’t know reality if it kicked you in the balls while singing [das hokey cokey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaxWoJPUC0) THIS is part of your problem…you think you know it all… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/50 "2019-03-19T17:25:05Z")
I don’t know it all, what is obvious is that I do know more than you; though to be fair, so does my belly button fluff. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/51 "2019-03-19T17:27:56Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I don’t know it all, what is obvious is that I do know more than you; though to be fair, so does my belly button fluff. Must be hard to be that smart… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/52 "2019-03-19T17:29:41Z")
Not really, you set a really low standard. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/53 "2019-03-19T17:31:40Z")
The problem here is that you really seem to believe that… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/54 "2019-03-19T17:34:57Z")
Nope, the problem is that you seem to believe otherwise. You’re way out of your league on these forums, most people here are generally well informed and capable of intelligent debate, you’re neither. An xbox lobby is probably more your level. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/55 "2019-03-19T17:58:38Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/d/adfceee6d9bf553180faedefcf4c4df01222007a.jpeg) and I thought evading a ban was frowned on by the powers that be…has that changed? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/56 "2019-03-19T18:00:27Z")
Unfortunately, afaik, forum bans are usually done on a character level, not an account level. Trial accounts, and now alpha accounts are an easy way to bypass either. ---
**Author:** ![PsiMin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/psimin/32/421535_2.png) [@PsiMin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PsiMin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/61 "2019-03-20T13:52:28Z")
I have been playing Eve since 2003 and its always been a issue, it all depends on the actions, if someone has the 1-2 bumps its to be expected, however when its specific to certain individuals in the belt or sustained eg hours then yes its harassment, I used to mine but don’t often know, CCP do not care or cant be bothered to address it, I remember many years ago that in their TOS it actually stated something like this “continued harassment to people in game without the gain of profit is against the TOS” I quoted this to them when I was subjected to continued bumping, everytime I logged on and this went on for over a week, nothing was done, so I stopped for a month, when I came back I found that the TOs had been amended 🙂 There is no defense in HS, orca travels at 50m/s, Mach at around 1,200ms, its easy to do the math ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/62 "2019-03-20T14:56:57Z")
> [@Pogmo\_Thon](#): > > This is mainly carried out in mining areas, where the boosting ship is bumped away from the ships it is boosting, with no penalty. What we really need to see is the killmail so we can credit these tears to the proper person 😜 > [@Crash\_n\_Burn](#): > > I presume that the author wanted in this way to say that he is attached to the pixels on the screen, for which he paid time spent in the game and money. > > So harassment has a personal meaning for him which is understandable and perhaps prosecuted in his country? If he takes ship actions personally that is not an EVE issue. He needs to get back to “It’s only a game” and stop weeping on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/63 "2019-03-20T14:59:07Z")
> [@PsiMin](#): > > There is no defense in HS Wrong, OP could easily make friends and have them bump the bumper. Oh right, he wants to play solo and is ENTITLED to “win” even 10v1. Those other 10 players, being gankers, are lesser humans and have no rights in game. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/64 "2019-03-20T15:04:22Z")
> [@PsiMin](#): > > There is no defense in HS, orca If you’re using a mining foreman ship, clearly you have a mining fleet out. Either yours or a group of your friends. Because the only real reason to run an orca in hs alone is for the low yield high tank afk mining… which is certainly not against the rules, but definitely not something you’ll get any sympathy for. If you have friends, or mining alts, get one in a webbing ship. Web your orca, and warp it to your safe point. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/65 "2019-03-20T15:06:31Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Now that they have realised (12 years after being told… ad nauseam) that high sec wars decs against high sec pve focused (exclusive generally) corps/allicances has driven 50% of their, paying (subscriptions), player base from the game Nope, all they are realizing is the fked up war dec and it didn’t do squat. You know why? Because people who are afraid to undock are going to leave the game either way the first time they are ganked. If it is not war dec, it will be a gate camp, if it is not a gate camp, it will be suicide gank, if not that then a bump. People who want to play a PvP game without PvP will not last and catering to them is a waste of dev time. All they did was screw with their real customers. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/67 "2019-03-20T15:26:57Z")
Salt You’re lost in the fog … Nobody enters EVE expecting a pure PvE game, or expecting not to lose resources if they lose in combat. What you’ve identified is some of the things about EVE that waste large amounts of new players’ time. The cost of losing combat isn’t ISK, it’s the **time it takes** to get the ISK. New players are at a huge disadvantage here. No rational person will stay in a game that makes it inevitable that other players will force them into boring activities (one-sided combat, which isn’t at all fun for the victim), and thus cause them to waste large amounts if time (grinding for ISK to replace resources) to replace resources. If they can’t get the short- and medium- "fun vs time balance to work, the intelligent choice for a sane person is to find a game that’s fun. The situation you describe, powered by people like you, has been filtering out experienced PvP-combat gamers from EVE _before they get a chance to set up properly_ as long as I’ve had EVE characters. What’s left that would attract a PvP-combat gamer? Suck it up for a year or two, then maybe finish up high enough in the pecking order that it _might_ be fun to play? That seems to be _your_ message. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/68 "2019-03-20T15:31:49Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > if they lose in combat. And there’s the fault in your argument. “IF they lose in combat”. They don’t want to be in combat. They know they’re going to lose their stuff in combat, which is why they don’t want to be in that situation in the first place. Problem is, Eve isn’t a game where they might get into a fight. Eve is a game where they WILL get into a fight. When they realize that, that’s when they quit. They realize that fights are inevitable, and that’s not what they want to be doing. Which is fine, Eve is clearly not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980/69 "2019-03-20T15:35:58Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > No rational person will stay in a game He proceeds to name non-consentual PVP, something that’s always been with us. So I guess no rational person ever stayed in EVE Online, huh? 🥑 You are another one of these people who show up to a game after 15+ years and tell us that the game is never going to go anywhere unless we change blah blah blah. 🤔 Try to step beck for a moment a realize how silly that is. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/player-harassmemt-by-bumping/144980.md?page=4)