# Players as Content and the Victim Mindset **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [August 11, 2022, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239 "2022-08-11T05:29:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/244 "2022-08-15T11:55:48Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > CCP is not in a legal position to “catch” anyone on any other platform or in real life. Stealth “Free Stunt” thread. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/245 "2022-08-15T12:24:13Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Stealth “Free Stunt” thread Next time provide a link so I don’t have to google what this may be about 😛 Here’s the thing about due process, without prejudice to the “case” you refer to, a fundamental value: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96592948d5069dcf9a8e93931911adb655f002eb.jpeg "Picard's civil rights speech") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70) ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/246 "2022-08-15T12:28:24Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > Honest criticism is not, in my view, an uncivil personal attack. Had I never been criticised, I would not have gained the skills I have gained to defend my positions, nor would I have realized on my own all those times I found was actually in error. People respect a person who is gracious both when they are right and when they are wrong. Probably the most sensible post I’ve read this month. Agree with everything you said. Just linking it here so people can re-read it if they missed it in the flurry of posts. **If you didn’t read and appreciate Qia’s post on the first pass, please use the up-arrow and give it another read.** Also, on the note of Drac - I agree with some of what he says, disagree some, neutral some. Agree with you that much of the argument around Drac’s posts often revolve around hairsplitting word definitions on either side, Drac responds a little too hair-trigger etc. However, if you look at the pattern over time - Drac is in the camp that often disagrees or takes a different view from the whole “PvP is God” crowd on the forums. And many in that crowd do whatever they can to stomp on, invalidate, insult and belittle anyone who expresses opposite viewpoints. Anyone who’s been attacked and had their posts misrepresented enough times is probably overly sensitized to criticism. Even my own sweet, reasonable posts of generous clarity have been labelled as “insane rants” by the infidels. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their keyboard! Fortunately, I am immune to criticism. And thank you again for your excellent and mature post. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/247 "2022-08-15T12:41:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You people think that CCP at all cares about morality and engaging in contemporary political correctness bushido? They couldn’t possibly give less of a crap about that. Have to disagree. A lot of people seem to think I hate CCP and desire to see them all cast into Ginnungagap to suffer. I certainly rake them over the coals with respect to their professional responsibilities and abilities (or lack thereof) as regards EVE. However all the indications over time has been that, on a personal level, the CCP crowd are decent, friendly, creative, funny, helpful and caring people who are passionate about their games and passionate about doing good things. Certainly there may be some “let’s align with the current social trends as good PR” motivation here but I don’t believe they’re cynical and two-faced about it. And even the “make as much money as possible” thing… well that’s what business are _supposed_ to do. My complaints with CCP have never been about them trying to make big money - it’s that they make a fraction of the money they _should_ because they keep shooting themselves in the foot with bad decisions. And then throw what money they **do** make away on failed projects. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > and start looking toward your friends, coworkers, and family members. Yeesss… the pod people! Get them before they can get **you**! At any rate, people, please, the social discourse is gripping and all, but could someone start a separate thread for it or something? Shipwreck’s tryin’ ta make a point here and y’all keep stepping on it. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/248 "2022-08-15T12:51:01Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP Couldn’t possibly have said it better… maybe with an implant… 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/249 "2022-08-15T14:58:46Z")
Is this the “`confectioner refused to make wedding cake for non-straight couple based on religious principles who in return sued for discrimination`” case? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/250 "2022-08-15T15:16:07Z")
You are a cunning sleuth Or just have a great memory lol And yeah, it is. Their shop is now a Bento Bar, ironically Now, it should be said that if the baker hadnt brought religion into it, probably wouldnt have got far, but this part of the world has special religious discrimination laws. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/251 "2022-08-15T15:22:08Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You are a cunning sleuth Was too lazy to look it up, actually that is why I asked instead. 😉 > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Or just have a great memory This. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/252 "2022-08-15T15:31:33Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Their shop is now a Bento Bar, ironically > > Now, it should be said that if the baker hadnt brought religion into it, probably wouldnt have got far, but this part of the world has special religious discrimination laws That’s the case I was referring to, didn’t know where it happened but I remember they didn’t want to make a wedding cake 😅 and everybody went ballistic. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/253 "2022-08-15T15:33:40Z")
Made the cake, took the deposit, found out what it was for, refused delivery. Again, if religion (and the deposit) werent involved, they could easily have been in their rights. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/254 "2022-08-15T15:38:12Z")
Masterpiece Cakeshop won in the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/255 "2022-08-15T15:41:32Z")
Not the case in question, but a fair guess. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/256 "2022-08-15T15:43:12Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Made the cake, took the deposit, found out what it was for, refused delivery I would’ve paid to have been there to see the baker’s face 😅 > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Again, if religion (and the deposit) werent involved, they could easily have been in their rights. Give them their deposit back and get them ejected for tresspassing 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/257 "2022-08-15T15:45:12Z")
Tbh if you make a wedding cake with Bert and Ernie on it, Im not sure why youd need to be told but there we are. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/258 "2022-08-15T15:47:18Z")
It’s totally stupid, really. Make the damn cake, get paid. It’s really very simple. The customer don’t care what you think but the cake better be good. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/259 "2022-08-15T17:01:53Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > Make the damn cake, get paid. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/5/e/e5ee8fdd69a5391aa8c447b7362c2976409fc68d.jpeg "Then I Get Paid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Nsgr4B4ys) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/260 "2022-08-15T17:36:00Z")
Why would Bert and Ernie be on a wedding cake? Bert and Ernie are just roommates! Unless ofcourse there happens to be a Bert and Ernie couple then I would approve but not that I would need to approve or anything. It would be a lovely wedding cake. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/261 "2022-08-15T17:37:46Z")
Where I live is a stranger place than most ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/262 "2022-08-15T20:19:23Z")
look at that i say look at that god damnit a EVE player , who is actually female , doing PVP , in a harbinger, using LOVE ❤ lazors what a inspiration for future generation girl pilots a thing of beauty [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/a/3/ba351b62e77c39d54126658edfd2b5a50b236958.jpeg "(Eve Online) [PvP] Solo Harbinger Commentary") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVdia9lbHMg) quit the victim mindset and be like her ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239/263 "2022-08-15T20:26:05Z")
If she was flying a hurricane would you be saying the same thing thou 🤣 but yea she is a legend [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-as-content-and-the-victim-mindset/373239.md?page=14)