# Players exploiting DDos attacs to steel loot from Incursion runners **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123 "2020-02-07T23:37:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/1 "2020-02-07T23:37:20Z")
Then this happend: After a massive DC, (possible DDos) TDF Incursion community lost around 14 ships that got disconnected in a TCRC site. After logging back in the site was swarmed by pilots (most from BRAVE Collective) stealing loot from the wrecks on grid. Seriously guys, this is NOT ok. CCP will probably reimburse the pilots for what was lost, but they do not usually reimburse loot that was dropped, so this is loot that players will not get back. We had pilots that had saved for weeks upgrading their ships, many of them can not replace this with what’s in their wallets, so this could be game over for some of them (incursion ships can be as much as 5-6B ISK). So, is this how it’s gonna be now? People exploiting DDos to steal ISK from other palyers? [BRAVE stealing loot from DDos victims](https://prnt.sc/qz6zws) EDIT: Screenshot show only those pilots that was killed on site by the rescue party trying to save the remaining loot… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/2 "2020-02-08T00:22:38Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > After logging back in the site was swarmed by pilots (most from BRAVE Collective) stealing loot from the wrecks on grid. Seriously guys, this is NOT ok. Since when did looting wrecks become not okay? > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > We had pilots that had saved for weeks upgrading their ships, many of them can not replace this with what’s in their wallets, so this could be game over for some of them (incursion ships can be as much as 5-6B ISK). Sucks for them. Don’t fly what you can’t afford to replace. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > So, is this how it’s gonna be now? People exploiting DDos to steal ISK from other palyers? Do you have any proof those players were “exploiting” a DDOS? Or are you just mad because someone was able to snag some good fortune and make a quick buck? ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/3 "2020-02-08T00:41:45Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > to snag some good fortune and make a quick buck? So you think it’s ok for players to get “good fortune” from DDoS attacks, that are probably initiated by players that want to ruin the game? I mean, who’s to say that these players aren’t the same players that carried out the attack? I’m not saying I have proof of them doing it, but if people think it’s ok to “make a quick buck” from these attacks, that creates an incentive for people to do DDoS attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/4 "2020-02-08T00:46:06Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > So you think it’s ok for players to get “good fortune” from DDoS attacks, that are probably initiated by players that want to ruin the game? Do you have reading problems? Clearly I didn’t say that. Try reading my comment again. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > who’s to say that these players aren’t the same players that carried out the attack? Who’s to say they are? Sit down with your whining. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/5 "2020-02-08T00:49:00Z")
“Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose” (whether isk-wise or mentally) seems like it may apply… ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/6 "2020-02-08T00:51:03Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > Then this happend: …I got really butthurt and made a thread about how whiny I am. Despite the continuing problems some of us got drunk and RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Cool story bro. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/7 "2020-02-08T00:51:57Z")
How are you going to DDOS a specific group of players who all live in different locations in the world? It’s like you don’t understand how a DDOS works or what it even is. If suddenly your voice coms would have gone down and this would happen several times you ran into the same people who then took advantage of your downed coms then that could be a DDOS. What you’re describing is nothing of the sort unless you all live in the same home. ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/8 "2020-02-08T01:05:26Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > How are you going to DDOS a specific group of players who all live in different locations in the world? It’s like you don’t understand how a DDOS works or what it even is. You do not target players during an Denial-of-service attack, you target the server, or in case of EVE, the node that the current system(s) are installed on. Maybe you should read some books or something instead of making a fool of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/9 "2020-02-08T01:10:08Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > So, is this how it’s gonna be now? People exploiting DDos to steal ISK from other palyers? > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > I mean, who’s to say that these players aren’t the same players that carried out the attack? I’m not saying I have proof of them doing it, I’m saying it. I’m also saying you’re an idiot. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > You do not target players during an Denial-of-service attack, you target the server, And yet… the players who “tuk yer st00fz” did the attack in order to take your piss-poor drops instead of something worth attacking a server for - a server they would also not be able to get into in order to take your stuff? Nice tinfoil hat you have there. Maybe lay off of the drugs though. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/10 "2020-02-08T01:10:10Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > you target the server If they did that they’d also go down, so it wouldn’t work. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > or in case of EVE, the node that the current system(s) are installed on That’s not how that works > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > making a fool of yourself. You just did. ---
**Author:** ![Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frodel_beit-lehem/32/275538_2.png) [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frodel_Beit-Lehem)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/11 "2020-02-08T01:14:12Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > If they did that they’d also go down, so it wouldn’t work. It worked just fine, as the server where back up when they started looting the wrecks. > [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > > or in case of EVE, the node that the current system(s) are installed on > > That’s not how that works In [computing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing), a **denial-of-service attack** ( **DoS attack** ) is a [cyber-attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-attack) in which the perpetrator seeks to make a machine or network resource unavailable to its intended [users](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_(computing)) by temporarily or indefinitely disrupting [services](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_service) of a [host](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_(network)) connected to the [Internet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet). stop talking please… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/12 "2020-02-08T01:14:41Z")
What is your plan? Ban people who loot wrecks? How are the looters supposed to know who DC’d because of ddos or their own internet or had to log out due to real life emergency? You should perhaps put more thought into this. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/13 "2020-02-08T01:16:50Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > network resource unavailable to its intended [users](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_(computing)) Those users being a group comprised of “the users” which - this may come as a shock but try to keep up here - include the players looting the wrecks. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/14 "2020-02-08T01:18:05Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > It worked just fine, as the server where back up when they started looting the wrecks Not everyone lost connection and some people had more difficulty logging in. Looting isn’t an exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/15 "2020-02-08T01:18:51Z")
So they dunked the whole server in the hopes on being online quicker than you, to get some random loot. Because that actually works and makes sens… oh wait not it doesn’t. It’s a dumb thing to state. Us players don’t have access to the specific nodes or their IP because the nodes are all in the server location so it’s an internal IP. You can’t somehow DDOS through the whole main server IP, break through its firewalls, enter one specific node and then somehow blast that. You’d nuke the main IP by doing that which brings us back to “DDOSSing the whole server for them to try and steal your loot after they magically were able to log back in before others did is the dumbest thing ever heard”. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/16 "2020-02-08T01:19:47Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Those users being a group comprised of “the users” which - this may come as a shock but try to keep up here - include the players looting the wrecks. Bingo ---
**Author:** ![dezent\_Ena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dezent_ena/32/185721_2.png) [@dezent\_Ena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dezent_Ena)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/17 "2020-02-08T01:26:40Z")
I am pretty sure the exploit was “oh look, stupid people flying expensive ■■■■ during ddos. We wait and see.” ---
**Author:** ![jin\_ko82](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_ko82/32/493817_2.png) [@jin\_ko82](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/jin_ko82)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/18 "2020-02-08T01:28:41Z")
hahahaahhaahhaahhahahahahahahaah this is a complete sentence ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/19 "2020-02-08T01:36:50Z")
> [@Frodel\_Beit-Lehem](#): > > Seriously guys, this is NOT ok. Nope. This is 100% ok, welcome to EVE. Nobody gives a \*\*\*\* about how much you suffered to save up and buy those ships, loot is loot and the looters just got rich. Maybe next time you should stop being terrible at EVE and remember one of its most basic rules: _“never fly anything you can’t afford to lose”_. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123/20 "2020-02-08T01:37:36Z")
Wait, is this now a thread where the farmer trash is seriously attempting to suggest that players _committed serious felony crimes_ just to get some imaginary spaceship loot? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/players-exploiting-ddos-attacs-to-steel-loot-from-incursion-runners/218123.md?page=2)