# Please allow Alphas to train the ECM hardening skills **URL:** \ **Category:** Skill Discussion\ **Created:** [August 13, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-allow-alphas-to-train-the-ecm-hardening-skills/415847 "2023-08-13T19:51:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-allow-alphas-to-train-the-ecm-hardening-skills/415847/25 "2024-01-27T17:51:25Z")
ECM is a joke now 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-allow-alphas-to-train-the-ecm-hardening-skills/415847/26 "2024-01-27T17:54:18Z")
which is why alphas don’t need them. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_kai/32/402812_2.png) [@ISD\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Kai)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-allow-alphas-to-train-the-ecm-hardening-skills/415847/29 "2024-01-28T19:23:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-allow-alphas-to-train-the-ecm-hardening-skills/415847/30 "2024-01-31T02:22:28Z")
They only angle I see they’d need is they are trying for hard to probe. Stronger sig strength does help that. But… that is bonus on a non-alpha miner ship that I recall. and miners put themselves in easy to find spots. D-scan 5 belts…ah there they are on belt 4. and it needs sebo and sig amp to work anyway, site runners are not getting found off combat probes sometimes. The site is probed (or just known) not the ship. Or for the drone lovers…the drones are picked up on probes. See long ago when tc3 could reach literally unprobable numbers you hunted them off the site scans or the signatures the drones put out. Why I liked Tengu back then…no drone bay? No problem? They were not used anyway. Hunters has to brute force say 6 events in the system. D-scan spam and leave when getting close. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-allow-alphas-to-train-the-ecm-hardening-skills/415847/31 "2024-04-30T02:23:14Z")
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