# Please close war dec alliance/corp hopping loophole **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [June 27, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478 "2025-06-27T14:35:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/41 "2025-07-19T21:43:54Z")
Discussion is pointless if you aren’t even getting the terms right. You are a pretty new player, but constantly refuse to take advice from veterans. What they do is NOT ganking. And it is NOT cheating. If you _ever_ seek a solution to your problem, you have to accept these two facts. If you cannot do that, you have _already lost_. No change the devs can do will save you. You can only - learn to fight OR - learn to avoid fights You cannot _block fights_ in any way shape or form in EVE Online. If someone wants to attack you, he CAN attack you. There is no hiding from that, except staying docked in an NPC station. ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/42 "2025-07-20T01:29:08Z")
Technically you can also hide in space…either by staying cloaked or by flying in subwarp out to empty space in a very fast ship with low enough signature to not being able to be scanned down in time and warp there before you have left grid again. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Phil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_phil/32/439809_2.png) [@Captain\_Phil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_Phil)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/43 "2025-07-21T08:03:23Z")
This doesn’t sound like an exploit or a loophole. A corporation / pilot _should_ be able to change alliances even if both were at war with the same target. Consider what a solution might look like: When declaring war a check against each member would need to be done, prompting the popup _One of your members was already at war with this entity, with X cooldown remaining._ You’d then have to figure out **which** member was the culprit (or CCP would need to design something to facilitate this). If you accept an application, a check would need to be done to see if you are currently at war with an entity that the new applicant is currently on cooldown with. This would result in another prompt and a potential end to hostilities if the applicant is accepted. The real question you should ask is “why is there a cooldown period in the first place?” ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/44 "2025-07-21T23:18:41Z")
> [@Aallin\_Gicquet](#): > > Yes Eve is PVP. yes Eve is a no holds bar unforgiving universe. No, no it is not. > [@Syzygium](#): > > If the Devs wanted to have an area in the game where nobody could be attacked and just harvest resources and build things in eternal peace, they could simply create one. Station traders do this. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > They very much made a PVP game (which means combat), this is also enshrined in EVE Frontiers as well, so the current devs also think this. Comparing a 20 year old game with cryto driven slop winning argument where? > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > CCP is constantly saying all space is dangerous, including in the tutorials. The tutorials are dangerous for PvE. The tutorial systems have rules against PvP. > [@Syzygium](#): > > But still a 100% PvP game game without any safe zones (lets consider staying docked at an NPC station not a “zone”). Starter systems are safe zones. Pretty sure CCP will dish out a ban for ganking rookie ships and certain locations for a SOE mission. So technically its still a PvP area, only that its a PvP area with rules and more importantly, meaningful consequences and accountability for breaking them. The lack of both is what is missing here. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > War decs are not free ganking either. Wars cost money and the defender knows they are a valid target. Before the current iteration, wars were a 100:1 in favour of attacker with 5 corporations responsible for over half of all the aggressive wars. If that is not a license to print money not sure what is. > [@Syzygium](#): > > The Problem remains the same: You know the rules. You want to ignore them by owning stations without being able to deal with the consequences (aka wardecs). You _want_ a system where you can use all the benefits of player owned stations without the risks attached to that (wardecs!). Flip this the other way. If they were an aggressing corporation and each time they got a kill timer for a structure, the corporation went to another alliance free of the war? Sounds like an exploit. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Until a fix is found though, just treat each new war as simply that, a new war. Alliance hopping to avoid a war was banned faster than a toilet stop in rattlesnake country. CCP acts very quickly to make changes which impacts destruction and very slowly to make changes which are abusive. > [@Zydhek](#): > > It’s not just me being affected. it’s affecting a lot of players, a bunch have even left the game because they can’t handle the cheating. Abuse of game mechanic more so than cheating. If the two week ‘cannot declare war’ was tracked per pilot, ie, ‘if you have any pilot in your alliance that was just at war with X, your alliance cannot be involved in a war with X again until cooldown = 0’ this problem would be significantly reduced. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > War declarations exist so that people can destroy your structures in high sec space. The argument is wars exist so people can structure bash? Is PIRAT doing it wrong or is this just a differing of opinion? > [@Syzygium](#): > > You are a pretty new player, but constantly refuse to take advice from veterans. The advice is bad and glosses over the rank hypocrisy between offensive and defensive abuse of game mechanics. It should be ignored. > [@Power\_Armor](#): > > Technically you can also hide in space…either by staying cloaked or by flying in subwarp out to empty space in a very fast ship with low enough signature to not being able to be scanned down in time and warp there before you have left grid again. Hiding behind ESS grids should also be an exploit. > [@Captain\_Phil](#): > > A corporation / pilot _should_ be able to change alliances even if both were at war with the same target. Active war is an arguable position. Switching alliances after loosing a war? Completely different. > [@Captain\_Phil](#): > > When declaring war a check against each member would need to be done, prompting the popup _One of your members was already at war with this entity, with X cooldown remaining._ You’d then have to figure out **which** member was the culprit (or CCP would need to design something to facilitate this). If you accept an application, a check would need to be done to see if you are currently at war with an entity that the new applicant is currently on cooldown with. This would result in another prompt and a potential end to hostilities if the applicant is accepted. Yeah, that sounds like a good solution, wish I thought of that. > [@Captain\_Phil](#): > > The real question you should ask is “why is there a cooldown period in the first place?” Pretty sure the original dev post the cooldown was added to limit an attackers ability to just spam war declarations. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/45 "2025-07-22T00:54:06Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Starter systems are safe zones. Only against characters less than 30 days old. After that, free reign ---
**Author:** ![Zydhek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zydhek/32/465939_2.png) [@Zydhek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zydhek)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/46 "2025-07-31T19:03:00Z")
The whole point of this thread isn’t about there being war decs, there being pvp, or even about lack of safe places to play. The point I was trying to make is that players are exploiting a loophole in the game mechanism responsible for cool down periods between war decs against the same parties. That the loophole is being exploited for consequence-free ganking in high sec space. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/47 "2025-07-31T19:15:18Z")
> [@Zydhek](#): > > That the loophole is being exploited for consequence-free ganking in high sec space. You keep saying this, and we keep saying that this statement is incorrect. A war requires an unfront cost, and the people in the defending corp know that they are in a war, it is NOT ganking and isn’t consequence free. If people don’t want to be fired at in a war, they can drop corp (or use an out of corp alt to move something). As for the main part of your argument, we do acknowledge it, but the fix will take a long time to implement as it’s just members switching corps and making a whole new wardec. Even if a fix where put in place, people can just use alts to get around that. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/48 "2025-08-01T11:25:17Z")
At this point you can assume he simply doesn’t _want_ to understand. He should just realize that he and his group are obviously too weak to hold Citadels. Easy solution: Base onan NPC station, not owning structures. Problem solved… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2025, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-close-war-dec-alliance-corp-hopping-loophole/491478/49 "2025-10-30T11:25:43Z")
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