Please critique my Alpha L4 Rattlesnake and Gila


(Keno Skir) #7

You probably want to swap out a drone nav for a 3rd tanking slot. Then you can have the booster plus whatever 2 dedicated resists the mission actually deals for a way stronger tank. Considering your limitations I think it would be a mistake to aim for a single tank that will fit all missions (single invuln).


(QuakeGod) #8

Bling boat begging to be ganked…


(QuakeGod) #9

And no Damage Control Unit? Anything that gets through your shield will melt the rest of your ship like butter…


(Stellar Rhoa) #10

Alright, here’s a new version that’s a third of the cost and has more tank at the cost of some DPS, some capacitor and some drone range, speed and tracking. The omni-damage shield hardeners will be swapped to specific ones depending on mission.

[Rattlesnake, Alpha L4]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
AML Compact Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Drone Navigation Computer I
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I

Gecko x1


(Stellar Rhoa) #11

Any feedback on the second version of the fitting?


(Quelza) #12

Why the medium shield booster? Did you not have the fitting for a larger one?


Level 4 Alpha FIts
(Xandar Dice) #13

Maybe swap out one of the Invunerability Fields for a Shield Extender to give some buffer space.


(Chainsaw Plankton) #14

it tanks enough for lv4s, and you can just turn it on and forget about it because it doesn’t use a lot of cap.


(Quelza) #15

I see, thank you for the explanation.


(JC Mieyli) #16

it will die
mwd huge sig
low hps
gecko short range
not even a remote rep for your single solitary drone
and thats checking with all 5 skills i dont have an alpha profile to check with
so i would say no
rs seems like a crappy ship for alphas imo

edit
pyfa didnt show missile launchers so to be fair it looks a bit better with the launchers on
but i still wouldnt wanna fly it


(Do Little) #17

The Rattlesnake is usually sniper fit with sentry drones, cruise missiles and a micro jump drive to engage beyond 100Km. I don’t think the Alpha skillset allows for that.

If you are going to use it for close range brawling, fit rapid heavy launchers or torpedoes - I think Alphas can fit T2 rapid heavies and they will be useful for killing small stuff but the reload is painful.

A shield booster and MWD will do horrible things to your capacitor. Try an afterburner that you can run continuously to provide a modest speed tank and an ancillary booster for a burst tank if you get into trouble. The Rattlesnake has a massive buffer tank so you should have plenty of time to warp out.

As others have pointed out, the shiny fittings will make you an attractive gank target - if you can afford that stuff, you can afford a subscription.


(Stellar Rhoa) #18

Thank you very much for everyone who has been sending feedback. Here’s a third version of the fit. Now the price is under 1 bil ISK and I’ve kept only what I think is really indispensable.

The build is not intended to be for close range brawling, it’s intended to be as long range as an Alpha can be, considering Alphas can’t use Sentry Drones. This version of the fit has 80km drone range and 3k mps speed for drones, which while not super min-maxed should be enough for L4s and pretty good for an Alpha in my opinion.

[Rattlesnake, Alpha L4]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Explosive Deflection Field
Caldari Navy Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Drone Navigation Computer I
Domination 500MN Microwarpdrive

‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II
Large Drone Speed Augmentor I

Gecko x1


(Keno Skir) #19

What are your vital stats in that fit, as an Alpha?


(Stellar Rhoa) #20

On the left side the tank values are for the Blood Raiders damage profile and on the right side for Guristas, to exemplify.


(Buoytender Bob) #21

Kind of makes me sad that alphas can use Rattlesnakes and I’m not sure why…


(Quelza) #22

I don’t know either.

The more shiny ships out there in space the better, if you ask me. Especially if they’re deploying MTUs :smirk:


Alpha changes: Best (Battle)ship for LvL4 missions
(Do Little) #23

You are probably going to lose a lot of Geckos if you are deploying them 80Km from the ship - and they aren’t cheap. Might be better to look at a pure missile boat like the Raven or the Caldari Navy Issue battleships.


(Keno Skir) #24

Tank is ok now I reckon as long as you correctly predict incoming damage types. Others here are correct though 80km is a long way away to place a 100 Million ISK drone that doesn’t fly very fast.


(Stellar Rhoa) #25

I’m considering switching to a drone-only Gila instead… Maybe it would solve a lot of problems? Tank modules could be the same as the Rattle fit, but using an Afterburner that can be constantly run so signature and speed would help with tank, going for close range medium drones that fly faster. Would lose missile damage but drone damage would be basically the same as the Rattlesnake.


(Anderson Geten) #26

can you simulate this fit

rattle sneak
[Rattlesnake, pve MSB rapid heavy]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Large Micro Jump Drive
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Gist X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I



Gecko x2

Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile x3000
Scourge Precision Heavy Missile x3000
Inferno Precision Heavy Missile x3000
Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x3000
Inferno Fury Heavy Missile x3000