# Please Critique my DST Fits (Impel/Mastodon) **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [January 3, 2021, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243 "2021-01-03T10:49:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Xena\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xena_kai/32/229513_2.png) [@Xena\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xena_Kai)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/1 "2021-01-03T10:49:05Z")
I fit for the burn back to the gate, since I’ve found it’s the only way to turn a bad camp into a win… otherwise the MWD + cloak or inherent +2 core strength tends to be sufficient. What can I do to perfect these: [Mastodon, Heavy] Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Nanite Repair Paste x129 Navy Cap Booster 50 x79 . [Impel, Heavy] Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Multispectrum Energized Membrane Shadow Serpentis Multispectrum Energized Membrane Centum A-Type EM Energized Membrane Centum A-Type Thermal Energized Membrane ‘Meditation’ Medium Armor Repairer I ‘Meditation’ Medium Armor Repairer I 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/2 "2021-01-03T11:37:02Z")
NEVER fit active reppers on your DST. They have a bonus for it, ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/3 "2021-01-03T15:49:45Z")
go passive and armor/hull tank. Take the rigs to boost hull, it will be a major boost on ehp. ---
**Author:** ![Xena\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xena_kai/32/229513_2.png) [@Xena\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xena_Kai)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/4 "2021-01-04T05:54:40Z")
I do notice carrier neut tends to kill my reps but I’ve made it back in time about 50% of the time. I hear what you’re saying. So like these? For HS/LS: [Impel, Passive] Core C-Type Kinetic Armor Hardener Core C-Type Explosive Armor Hardener Core C-Type Thermal Armor Hardener Damage Control II Core C-Type Thermal Armor Hardener Core C-Type EM Armor Hardener Core C-Type EM Armor Hardener 50MN Microwarpdrive II Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II And for null… i.e. the longer time consuming runs where I’m not going to bump into carriers and the main concern is giving the odd 4 point stiletto the slip: [Mastodon, Passive] Damage Control II ‘Halcyon’ Core Equalizer I ‘Halcyon’ Core Equalizer I ‘Halcyon’ Core Equalizer I 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Gist X-Type Explosive Shield Hardener Gist X-Type Kinetic Shield Hardener Gist X-Type Thermal Shield Hardener Improved ‘Guise’ Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/5 "2021-01-04T11:12:02Z")
> [@Hink\_Yaken](#): > > They have a bonus for it, ignore it. ^ CCP Are you paying attention? ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/6 "2021-01-05T01:47:07Z")
This is what I have been using to move stuff around 0.0 , lowsec and j-space . The only thing that can give you a bad day is an instalock HIC. AB is there just so you can take warp faster (1 cycle): [Mastodon, Mastodon] Warp Core Stabilizer II Inertial Stabilizers II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Burst Jammer II Medium Micro Jump Drive Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Prototype Cloaking Device I [Empty High slot] Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/7 "2021-01-05T05:17:02Z")
> [@Hink\_Yaken](#): > > NEVER fit active reppers on your DST. I know that I shouldn’t but that one time it saved my Bustard and I watched that poor ganker explode by CONCORD’s wrath. Though that was in highsec. As always - it depends. ---
**Author:** ![Terak\_Romaller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terak_romaller/32/374271_2.png) [@Terak\_Romaller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terak_Romaller)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/8 "2021-01-05T07:30:01Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > I know that I shouldn’t but that one time it saved my Bustard and I watched that poor ganker explode by CONCORD’s wrath. I’ve had the same experience in an Impel. In high sec space I agree an active tank is viable - especially if overheated. OP: fit for the MWD/Cloak trick - that’s a very useful move for a DST. Not being caught/spotted is better than trying to ride an attack out. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/9 "2021-01-05T20:19:12Z")
> [@Terak\_Romaller](#): > > In high sec space I agree an active tank is viable You’ll be neuted dry or alpha’d before you realize. **Especially** in HS an active tank is worse. > [@Terak\_Romaller](#): > > OP: fit for the MWD/Cloak trick - that’s a very useful move for a DST. Not being caught/spotted is better than trying to ride an attack out. If he talks about burning back to gate, that means he’s not in HS. So he is bubbled the moment he cloaks and then decloaked by an inty or a succubus. ---
**Author:** ![Xena\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xena_kai/32/229513_2.png) [@Xena\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xena_Kai)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/10 "2021-01-06T06:12:03Z")
The second you are scrammed, that MJD is useless. Your fit honestly looks like the kitchen sink to me. I have to ask, have you slipped an inty scram + carrier neut gang with this fit? That’s really the most common issue with low sec exits. ---
**Author:** ![Xena\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xena_kai/32/229513_2.png) [@Xena\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xena_Kai)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/11 "2021-01-06T06:16:11Z")
I usually burn back to HS gate when accidentally entering LS into a bad camp. If out-pointed, is literally no other option. I have slipped an attempt or two while fit with +5 core stability, but the drawbacks of using all those lows don’t seem to be worth the small amount of times your only issue is a dual scram interceptor with no backup, bubbles etc. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/12 "2021-01-06T08:07:07Z")
> [@Xena\_Kai](#): > > when accidentally entering you can’t fit for stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/13 "2021-01-06T15:33:11Z")
I have found myself scrammed and in a bubble in j-space , yes. The burst jammer saved me, then I managed to MJD out of the bubble and cloak. Regarding your lowsec carrier + instalock HIC camp , you can scout that , even if you don’t have an alt , you can still leave your ship in the hisec system near it and jump in lowsec in your pod and scout 1-2 systems , then come back . There’s also zkill and other tools that can help with those , even the statistics tab from the in game map. ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/14 "2021-01-09T20:51:46Z")
[Mastodon, TRANS Mastodon] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Pithum A-Type Explosive Shield Amplifier [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II You are pretty safe from Tornados and Catalysts, if you dont move huge amounts. If you know what you are doing, i would switch to Cloak MWD nano stuff, but this should be an ok braindead highsec solution. [Occator, TRANS Occator nano] Damage Control II ‘Halcyon’ Core Equalizer I ‘Halcyon’ Core Equalizer I ‘Halcyon’ Core Equalizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Medium Micro Jump Drive Improved Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot] Medium Engine Thermal Shielding II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Much harder to catch, pretty much no tank. Thats what i fly. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/15 "2021-01-10T17:21:17Z")
There isnt a single correct fit in this discussion xD I look forward to suicide ganking you all very soon. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/16 "2021-01-11T06:52:05Z")
Impel, never use hardeners, use poly and hyper T2 rigs to increase warp speed, align speed and velocity/acceleration. There are other tricks you can do to improve survival of the impel, but you’ll need to think about how to make it harder to kill or web, once you get your head around that you’ll be able to fly impel through without need to cloak or even use the MWD/Cloak trick through lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/17 "2021-01-11T16:25:50Z")
Don’t listen to this guy. You should literally ALWAYS be using the MWD/Cloak trick if you’re hauling 1b+ Just because you get away with it a few times doesn’t mean you won’t get burned. There are multiple gankers with 20+ accounts that can blow you up no matter how tanky your ship is. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/18 "2021-01-11T16:55:47Z")
I think the fit for HS is much different from the fit for LS. in LS you can MJD cloak. in HS you need to have max EHP and MWD trick to avoid being scanned. so unless your fit is specifically for one of those, the fit may be usable or not … ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/19 "2021-01-11T18:46:57Z")
Ideally it doesn’t matter if you use the MWD/Cloak trick or not, it’s intelligent that saves you, if you can tell how many players in a system you can figure out if you have a potential to be ganked if you enter a system. And there are multiple ways to do this. A badly time MWD/Cloak trick will make you an instant lock target, many people forget MWD increases your ship signature by 500%, meaning if you stuff up you cloak activation every ganker have a massive bonus to locking speed and weapon hits/damage. This is normally how the MWD/Cloak trick fails, if you can get it done perfectly then you great. But it’s a personal choice how you fit an few DSTs. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-critique-my-dst-fits-impel-mastodon/288243/20 "2021-04-11T18:47:07Z")
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