# Please remove these annoying roaming trig groups from hi-sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 23, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945 "2019-09-23T13:07:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/207 "2019-11-16T04:34:37Z")
Why yes… Someone who tells you that it is capable to take an untanked corvette through invasions is clearly a forum troll who never plays the game… Unlike the anonymous people who message you without evidence saying “He’s a forum troll, don’t listen to him” Also where did I say “Give them money”. I said give them a ship outside the invasion after they have taken their pod out, since pods align super fast. I mean, there is only so much advice people can give you, after that you are just whining and not trying. > [@Nyctos](#): > > That’s not necessarily true. Depending on the state of cached game resources and your network bandwidth, it’s conceivable that someone may need as much as 60 seconds in some cases for the undocked game environment to be displayed. I’ve experienced 20-30 seconds a fair number of times, and I think I came close to the 60-second mark at least once before. Then preload the game resources using the download everything button? There is already a solution provided. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_4-2-0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dan_4-2-0/32/168913_2.png) [@Dan\_4-2-0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dan_4-2-0)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/208 "2019-11-16T04:38:54Z")
> [@dewk](#): > > That sounds more like an invasion system more than a roaming Trig group. > > That’s a huge number of ship. agree, it wasnt 2-3 ships that attackd my Friends! they got swarmd by a whole fleet! no Chance for 1 new player! im playing now since 4months and even i in my best ship and gear i dont stand 10seconds against these fleets! in my (now dead)corp the veterans told me not even try to fight em and just wait until they are gone…… well its not fun to wait 1-2days until i can play a game im all for player interaction and open pvp but what is the main idea behind the npc Invasion?! the Blackout was a awesome idea and they removed it!!! but the crap stays forever?! WTF ---
**Author:** ![Nyctos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyctos/32/169734_2.png) [@Nyctos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyctos)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/209 "2019-11-16T04:41:20Z")
What “download everything” button? Even if there is such a thing buried in the interface somewhere, that doesn’t mean it’s a known solution to the player base as a whole. I certainly remember the transition to “dynamic” resource loading. I don’t remember there being any alternative announced, but it’s been a long time since that happened. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/210 "2019-11-16T04:41:51Z")
Launcher, Settings, Download Everything? Hardly buried And it was announced at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_4-2-0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dan_4-2-0/32/168913_2.png) [@Dan\_4-2-0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dan_4-2-0)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/211 "2019-11-16T04:44:14Z")
doesnt fix it! i lost some stuff to a player gank and the admins gave me my stuff back because the Moment the blackscreen was gone i was already dead! i clickd leave Station button, the screen got black, i heard some explosions and Shield warning Sound and the Moment the blackscreen was gone i was dead! good thing was i got all my stuff back by ccp! (atleast the ingame support is nice 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Nyctos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyctos/32/169734_2.png) [@Nyctos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyctos)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/212 "2019-11-16T04:45:00Z")
If you mean “Download the full EVE game client” in the settings window, then yes that is definitely buried. I never even noticed the settings button before until now. A very small, unlabeled icon in a corner of the launcher definitely constitutes “buried”. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/213 "2019-11-16T04:46:10Z")
You mean in the traditional corner spot where most settings icons in games are are, at the same size settings icons normally are? Ok, it’s not the traditional gearbox, instead being an E for EVE, I guess that could be hard to spot. ---
**Author:** ![Nyctos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyctos/32/169734_2.png) [@Nyctos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyctos)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/214 "2019-11-16T04:48:24Z")
There is no general standard for game UIs or any other type of software UI. I’ve spent three decades developing software; there are no universal common standards for settings features. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/215 "2019-11-16T04:52:16Z")
I just opened six game launchers on my computer, all of them have some kind of settings menu located in a corner. Sure, there is no common standard, but saying you never ever found the settings menu on the EVE launcher… That says you never bothered looking for it, it’s not like there are that many things to click, and they have even put two ways to get to the settings on the launcher. ---
**Author:** ![Nyctos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyctos/32/169734_2.png) [@Nyctos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyctos)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/216 "2019-11-16T04:56:09Z")
It’s possible I accessed a settings window on the launcher several years ago, but if so I don’t recall it well. Clearly I’ve not had much need of it. There are no universally intuitive icon-based user interfaces. If you think otherwise, try talking to some software UX people and see what they think of that. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/217 "2019-11-16T05:00:43Z")
Why do you keep spamming on about ‘No universal blah blah blah’ I’ve already agreed with you that there isn’t a universal standard. There are however some commonly used icons for settings (Note, common does not mean universal, nor standard), and taking 30 seconds to look around using the hover info to tell you what icon is what is hardly buried. ---
**Author:** ![Nyctos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyctos/32/169734_2.png) [@Nyctos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyctos)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/218 "2019-11-16T05:08:23Z")
Not spamming, simply reinforcing the message. Besides, I’ve noticed in the past that even when you agree with someone, it still often sounds like you are not. 😉 While one certainly could spend time hovering over every visual feature of an interface to probe it for tooltips, it’s not reasonable to expect that every user will do so. If a feature is expected to be commonly accessed, it should be readily noticeable. That’s basic good interface design. If it’s not very visible, then expect a decent percentage of users to not discover it. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_4-2-0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dan_4-2-0/32/168913_2.png) [@Dan\_4-2-0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dan_4-2-0)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/219 "2019-11-16T05:10:41Z")
@Nyctos dont feed the trolls 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/220 "2019-11-16T05:51:19Z")
“I’m having issues loading space, I wonder if I should check settings places” That’s what a normal person would think. Since they don’t seem to be getting the experience everyone else is getting. “I wonder if I should ask about why I might have such long load times” Also a normal response. “I’ve done nothing for years to rectify this issue but complain about it” Not a normal response. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/221 "2019-11-16T07:01:25Z")
Ok, the gear icon in the lower left corner and the ‘3 line = E’ icon in the top right corner of the launcher doesn’t even remotely look like access to settings. Most other games make that option highly visible and specifically designate it as ‘Settings’. Course this is CCP who revels in hiding important info. Anyway, the option to ‘Download the full Eve game client’ should already be automatically selected. The options that should also be automatic is the ‘Verify integrity of downloaded files and purge extra files’ option in the ‘Shared Cache’ menu of the Launcher along with the ‘Clear all cache files’ option in the Esc menu. Those 2 options help make the game run a lot better and should be activated automatically after downloading patch updates. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_4-2-0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dan_4-2-0/32/168913_2.png) [@Dan\_4-2-0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dan_4-2-0)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/222 "2019-11-16T07:04:54Z")
back to Topic: REMOVE THE TRIGS OUT OF HIGH/LOW SEC! SEND EM INTO WORMHOLE SPACE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/223 "2019-11-16T09:53:52Z")
since a few weeks i have serius Trouble loading eve… sometimes it stucks forever at loading and also after undock it takes endless times to get into. i check eve tool and have lots of packet looses. ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/224 "2019-11-16T09:56:16Z")
> [@Nyctos](#): > > to the player base as a whole. > > I certainly remember the transition to “dynamic” resource loading. I don’t remember there being any alternative announced, but it’s been a long thats what happendd to me… i hit undock then 20-30 seconds bevor screen gone black to load then it showed the loading sign and then i was dead ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/225 "2019-11-16T18:47:46Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong and this wont work in an npc sta. But I found that if I take control of my sta first before I undock, I “seem” to undock with less lag. ---
**Author:** ![Tvashnar\_Crendraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tvashnar_crendraven/32/399991_2.png) [@Tvashnar\_Crendraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tvashnar_Crendraven)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/226 "2019-11-17T09:04:11Z")
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