# Please remove these annoying roaming trig groups from hi-sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 23, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945 "2019-09-23T13:07:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Glyken\_Touchon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glyken_touchon/32/431685_2.png) [@Glyken\_Touchon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glyken_Touchon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/123 "2019-10-12T11:08:17Z")
The extreme example is that if everyone used existing PLEX (not buying new ones) to sub their accounts for a month, CCP would have no cash income that month to pay expenses such as wages. Therefore they have an asset (cash) and a liability (service to be rendered). They can’t just spend the PLEX income without allowing for future cash flow. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/124 "2019-10-12T12:16:01Z")
CCP can use the money they get from PLEX when it is used. Not when it is purchased. ---
**Author:** ![Natasha\_Otomeya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha_otomeya/32/163589_2.png) [@Natasha\_Otomeya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha_Otomeya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/125 "2019-10-12T12:40:34Z")
They can spend it whenever they like. You buy PLEX from them or a mount in other games, you have agreed that there will be no refund so the in-game item (PLEX, mount, whatever) has no real currency value. There will be PLEX sat on inactive accounts, PLEX used for skins (I used to do that, until I changed character and they all became useless as skins are not account wide). Main problem with PLEX is that there isn’t really may ways in which you can use them. There is a risk that too many people will PLEX their accounts, although there will always be those that will pay a sub because they prefer not to have to grind the isk to pay for the PLEX. Also there will always be people buying PLEX from CCP to use for a quick isk injection. If less people are buying PLEX from CCP then the value of the PLEX in-game will likely go up making it harder to PLEX accounts, also methods like higher taxes can make it harder to PLEX. So to some degree if they keep an eye on things they have ways to manipulate their use. ---
**Author:** ![Coffee\_Stains\_Unlimited](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coffee_stains_unlimited/32/164342_2.png) [@Coffee\_Stains\_Unlimited](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coffee_Stains_Unlimited)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/126 "2019-10-12T13:55:43Z")
I don’t know if I’m (un)lucky, but I still haven’t met a single Trig, or other diamond rats on my roaming that keeps blowing people up. I’ve flown through invasion space, I’ve been AFK in space a few times (had to get away faster than I could make the dock command, and couldn’t care if the ship blew up), and generally traveled a lot for combat sites. I haven’t mined other than the initial mission agents, so can’t say about that. Not that I like to do a meet and greet session, just yet, as my Algos won’t be much of a fight, I seriously wonder if this isn’t a good thing for both players and the game itself. Every time someone in beginners chat says that they got blown up, they 9 out of 10 times admit that they were AFK, or didn’t pay attention to what flew in. So I’m not against learning people to dock up if they need to be inactive, even for a few minutes. If they do camp on stations, that may need some tweeking, especially in the beginner areas. Everywhere else is okay for a while, in my opinion. Harsh lessons are those you will learn the most from. Like when I got curious and flew an Algos into a conduit… Boom and much laughs… Get better boat and equipment first! Stick to what you know and read up on your curiosity, or risk your shiny things. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/127 "2019-10-12T14:24:54Z")
> [@Natasha\_Otomeya](#): > > There is a risk that too many people will PLEX their accounts The risk that too many people will pay CCP $20 vs $14? What? ---
**Author:** ![Natasha\_Otomeya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha_otomeya/32/163589_2.png) [@Natasha\_Otomeya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha_Otomeya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/128 "2019-10-12T14:44:30Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > > [@Natasha\_Otomeya](#): > > > > There is a risk that too many people will PLEX their accounts > > The risk that too many people will pay CCP $20 vs $14? > > What? So you’re trying to be smart 🙄 Using PLEX purchased with isk as you well know. Nobody is going to buy PLEX from CCP to then use it to sub. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/129 "2019-10-12T14:49:38Z")
> [@Natasha\_Otomeya](#): > > So you’re trying to be smart 🙄 > > Using PLEX purchased with isk as you well know. Nobody is going to buy PLEX from CCP to then use it to sub. You just don’t understand how PLEX works, that’s all. For every month of game time paid in PLEX, CCP has made $20. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Natasha\_Otomeya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha_otomeya/32/163589_2.png) [@Natasha\_Otomeya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha_Otomeya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/130 "2019-10-12T14:53:58Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > > [@Natasha\_Otomeya](#): > > > > So you’re trying to be smart 🙄 > > > > Using PLEX purchased with isk as you well know. Nobody is going to buy PLEX from CCP to then use it to sub. > > You just don’t understand how PLEX works, that’s all. > > For every month of game time paid in PLEX, CCP has made $20. Period. Yes every PLEX has been paid for by someone, not every PLEX has been used. PLEX doesn’t have an in-game real currency value. So although they’ve all been paid for, if enough of them get used at the same time there is less income for CCP that month. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/131 "2019-10-12T14:56:53Z")
That would be a major payday for CCP, as used PLEX would need to be replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Natasha\_Otomeya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha_otomeya/32/163589_2.png) [@Natasha\_Otomeya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha_Otomeya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/132 "2019-10-12T14:57:51Z")
So now you’re trying to be funny. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/133 "2019-10-12T14:59:37Z")
You just don’t understand how supply and demand works, that’s all. If more people started PLEXing their accounts, that would increase the demand for PLEX, increasing it’s price, and people would start buying PLEX from CCP to fill that demand. ---
**Author:** ![Natasha\_Otomeya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha_otomeya/32/163589_2.png) [@Natasha\_Otomeya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha_Otomeya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/134 "2019-10-12T15:02:53Z")
Just because the demand is there doesn’t mean there will be a supply to fulfil that demand. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/135 "2019-10-12T15:04:51Z")
Then make your argument why people wouldn’t fill the increased demand. ---
**Author:** ![Natasha\_Otomeya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha_otomeya/32/163589_2.png) [@Natasha\_Otomeya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha_Otomeya)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/136 "2019-10-12T15:06:51Z")
It would be a complete waste of time with you. Plus we are so far off topic. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/137 "2019-10-12T15:07:36Z")
Concession accepted, then. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/138 "2019-10-12T16:14:47Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > increasing it’s price, and people would start buying PLEX from CCP to fill that demand. We didn’t see that happen when PLEX went way beyond two billion ISK… … but this reminds me that I should be buying tons of PLEX now for the inevitable increase. Or maybe it crashes and the game dies, but it’s not real money anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/139 "2019-10-12T19:00:10Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > We didn’t see that happen when PLEX went way beyond two billion ISK… Do you have any data on that? ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/140 "2019-10-12T20:28:03Z")
Well, yeah, the price of PLEX and all the complaints about it being too high, with no one ever noticing that the price even slightly appears to be dropping. Don’t go Anderson on me. lol ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/141 "2019-10-12T20:33:30Z")
Increasing PLEX prices could be due to a drop in supply, or it could (more likely) be due to inflation. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945/142 "2019-10-12T20:50:28Z")
I don’t care about “could”. I know what everyone was seeing, what I was seeing and what a huge amount of people was complaining about. Were you even around a year ago? Either just trust me when I tell you, or you speculate around believing whatever you come up with and slowly turn into Anderson. You should consider that you might be overdoing this forum thing a bit. Not once has it done anyone good and literally everyone turns bitter, angry, biased from constantly argueing with these people. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-remove-these-annoying-roaming-trig-groups-from-hi-sec/191945.md?page=8)