# Please stop the nonsense about inflation **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917 "2019-09-14T19:54:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/285 "2019-12-25T08:34:18Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > You can’t have inflation in EvE because there is no interest rate on debt. Jesus wept. Buy new brains. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/286 "2019-12-25T08:36:16Z")
> [@Prospektor\_Schipplock](#): > > we should think about, that CCP itself can stay alive to keep that wonderful simulation alive. I am currently without any work, and are not able to spend my RL money into it CCP obviously does okay without you. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/287 "2020-01-25T14:44:36Z")
Did teckos ever come back i miss him you know it’s kind of irresposible to tell us our economy is nonsense and just leave us high and dry for months like this without your support teckos ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/288 "2020-01-25T15:08:24Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > Did teckos ever come back i miss him You mean the person who claimed that any economy theory can be applied to any field and still be hold as science ? Or the one who claimed that you can make stochastic models without knowing the probabilities ? I don’t miss his BS. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/289 "2020-01-25T15:18:13Z")
he is your saviour anderson\_geten… he is an economist irl ;/ ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/290 "2020-01-25T16:42:12Z")
That doesn’t make him a god. He did have good insight, but it did feel like it also got misapplied now and then because of differences between EVE and RL. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/291 "2020-01-26T01:07:14Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > It isn’t. It is. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Now some might be tempted I’m always tempted. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > then STFU No U. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > You are looking at real world events I’m not. I ignore the real world. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > We can also see No we can’t. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > And look at the price indices Don’t want to. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > sitting in front of everyone’s face Stop sitting in front of people’s faces. It is rude and blocks their view of the screen. Ok, yes I am kinda bored. I’ll go do something else… ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/292 "2020-01-27T00:03:26Z")
People believe their indoctrination. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/293 "2020-02-01T09:13:42Z")
I scan through the forums periodically… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/294 "2020-02-01T17:52:18Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > 20 million ISK “gank magnet”. lel It’s still profit. If someone offered to give you 10 million ISK for free would you refuse the offer because they aren’t giving you enough? Of course not, you’d take the free ISK because ISK is ISK. Same thing with this gank. The profit was more than zero, someone claimed that profit. That doesn’t make the person who claimed it a griefer or an asshole. The simple fact is that if the expected value of your loot drops is more than the cost to gank your ship you are a target and you forfeit your right to complain when someone claims the profit from ganking you. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/295 "2020-02-01T21:15:46Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > profit The 15 minutes as a criminal is worth more than 10 million ISK… In fact, the time it took me to reply to this apologetic is worth more than 10 million ISK. The time it took me to read this is worth more than 10 million ISK. lel You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/296 "2020-02-01T21:18:57Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > The 15 minutes as a criminal is worth more than 10 million ISK… not it’s not. Remember, for him it’s free. Even if it took 24H of his life, it’s free. He would not mind picking up 1 cent if he had to remain stuck for 2 days for that. His whole life is free for anyone to take. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/297 "2020-02-02T02:44:46Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > The 15 minutes as a criminal is worth more than 10 million ISK… Not really? It’s not like you’re limited to a single character. All you do is undock the next alpha gank alt while you wait for the cooldown on the first one. When alpha gank alts are effectively an infinite resource the only cost of a gank is the ship expended to do it, and if the expected profit is more than the cost of pressing F1 why _wouldn’t_ you do it? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/298 "2020-02-02T05:01:13Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It’s not like you’re limited to a single character. So now I’m multiboxing to kill noobz. lol #fuggedaboutit ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/299 "2020-02-02T05:11:35Z")
I’m not sure why this is so complicated. You multibox to kill everything you encounter with a positive expected value. If the ship/cargo scan value is more than 2x your cost to kill it you press F1 and scoop the loot. If not you move on. There’s no reason _not_ to kill a smaller target, so you kill it while you wait for something better. You can complain all you want about how 10 million ISK isn’t much ISK (and it isn’t), but it’s still more than the zero ISK you make by not pressing F1. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/300 "2020-02-02T05:15:17Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > There’s no reason _not_ to This is not a reason to do anything. I do things for reasons . . . because I’m “reasonable”. Now, what does that make YOU? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/301 "2020-02-02T05:18:09Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > This is not a reason to do anything. No, but positive expected value of pressing F1 is. I really don’t see why this is so hard for you to understand. Even if 10 million ISK isn’t much it’s still more than the zero ISK you get as an alternative, so obviously you take the small payout. Unless of course you aren’t concerned about making ISK, in which case you aren’t suicide ganking at all. Now, do you have anything to add to the discussion besides “LOLOLOLOLOL KILLING NOOBS LOLOLOLOL”? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/302 "2020-02-02T05:31:38Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > this is so hard for you to understand. It’s not hard to understand. It’s absurd. I can make more money doing [any activity]. Why would I want to go through all the management processes necessary for that? Obviously not for ISK. But, if not for ISK, then . . . “gank magnet”? wat?! WHY?! ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/303 "2020-02-02T05:40:18Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > It’s not hard to understand. It’s absurd. I can make more money doing [any activity]. Why would I want to go through all the management processes necessary for that? Obviously not for ISK. But, if not for ISK, then . . . “gank magnet”? wat?! WHY?! Apparently it is hard to understand because you still aren’t getting the point. You aren’t going out suicide ganking with a goal of killing ships like that, you’re hoping to get better kills. But between better kills you might as well also kill everything else that has a positive expected value. You’re already there and the effort is already invested, all you have to do is press F1 and scoop the loot. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2020, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917/304 "2020-02-02T06:20:12Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > all you have to do is press F1 and scoop the loot. And then you lose 15 minutes. You PAY 15 minutes. You GET 10 million ISK. But, in addition, you LOSE the opportunity to gank anything else for those 15 minutes with that character. If you just went and killed NPCs for 15 minutes, you would still have a character ready to gank and you would have made some ISK and some sec status and you would not have incurred the cost of the gank. I think you’re just not seeing the forest through all the trees. You have written off the cost of the action prior to doing the cost-benefit analysis. Of course if you don’t count all the overhead, your business makes a lot of money. If you sell coffee and you don’t count the cost of the cup, the coffee, the coffee maker, the sugar, the cream, the facility in which you sell the coffee, the business license, the advertisement, the time and effort spent planning and deploying your business strategy, etc. then, yeah, you make a lot of money selling coffee. Duh. But once you start to factor all of that in, then you have to start wondering, “Why am I selling coffee?” [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/please-stop-the-nonsense-about-inflation/189917.md?page=15)