# Pochven Must Burn! **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062 "2021-06-21T00:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/226 "2021-07-21T01:04:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Which is it, though? This has already been explained to you. The Guristas got their chance to be good people during the invasions and they stabbed us in the back in Wirashoda. I’m not going to invite the living detritus from other powers to plant a dagger in there too. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_maxwell/32/319582_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Maxwell)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/227 "2021-07-21T02:24:25Z")
You are unfortunately quite correct here. In the evacuation of Ahtila, Crimson Serpent forces fought running air battles with Guristas craft that were covering their operations. While we mostly came out on top, when it comes to defending the fleeing transports, there were hard decisions to make, and not all of them were the right ones. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/504852_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/228 "2021-07-21T06:16:00Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > …living detritus from other powers to plant a dagger in there too. That’s a sure fire recipe for winning friends and influencing people; insults and condescension. Look how well that worked for your Amarrian allies when they turned down help during the original Drifter invasions. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/229 "2021-07-21T06:25:14Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > That’s a sure fire recipe for winning friends and influencing people; insults and condescension. I am not going to lie to spare the feelings of the people who abducted my fellow citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/230 "2021-07-21T16:13:52Z")
> [@Miran\_Tereven](#): > > The official position of the Chief Executive Panel is that every citizen has a duty to assist in the war effort against the Triglavian Collective. Within that context, co-operation with Capsuleers loyal to other major powers who have agreed to second forces to EDENCOM is permissible. This does not include criminals, cultists and victims of inhuman cybernetic utopian experiments. This notwithstanding, some of those extra-legal elements did fight alongside EDENCOM during the war. My objection to this was noted, recorded and overruled. I cannot comment on your standing to have objections noted by the Chief Executive Panel but I assume any contrary decision was made on the basis of the [“broad and general agreement…to co-operate where possible”](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-triglavian-major-conduits-established-edition-1/) between the [sovereign powers](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-invaders-from-the-abyss-edition/) (including the Intaki Syndicate) and other organisations (including the Guristas) attending the SoCT summit at FDZ4-A in YC 121. You might not agree with the decision but surely you acknowledge the CEP’s authority to make such bargains. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/504852_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/231 "2021-07-21T17:55:02Z")
Last I checked the Minmatar Republic hadn’t abducted anyone. However, if you’re referring to _criminal organizations_, like the Guristas or Angel Cartel, I completely understand. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/232 "2021-07-21T23:01:25Z")
> [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](#): > > I cannot comment on your standing to have objections noted by the Chief Executive Panel I stated that my objections to including Blooder, Guri, Serpentis, Angel and Sansha capsuleers were ignored by the administration of EDI. At no point did I insinuate direct communication between the CEP and I. > [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](#): > > You might not agree with the decision but surely you acknowledge the CEP’s authority to make such bargains. That decision was made in YC121. Almost a full year before the betrayal at Wirashoda. It is currently YC123. Almost a full year after the betrayal at Wirashoda. With the betrayal at Wirashoda in mind, I will not co-operate with Guri capsuleers. > [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Last I checked the Minmatar Republic hadn’t abducted anyone. However, if you’re referring to _criminal organizations_, like the Guristas or Angel Cartel, I completely understand. I have objected to allowing Blooder, Guri, Serpentis, Angel and Sansha elements to abuse a cluster-wide crisis for their own gain, as the Guris did in Wirashoda. I have never objected to co-operating with independent, Imperial, Federal or Republic capsuleers. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/233 "2021-10-19T23:01:50Z")
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