# Pochven Must Burn! **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062 "2021-06-21T00:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/21 "2021-06-21T04:06:59Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > That’s why it’d been there for months, unmolested, until MMH came begging for help, and _you_ tried to act all badass, right? Actually, it was the instruction from Subcommander Seriatim Foucault who declared unambigulously that “[i]nterference in the Weaving and the Struggle is poshlost activity” and exhorted Proven Kybernauts to take steps to curb such activity. We heard the will of the Collective and obeyed. Electus Matari is _poshlost._ Purging their citadel in Skarkon was not just our choice, but our obligation. The fact that doing so also helped MMH was serendipitous. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/22 "2021-06-21T04:11:31Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > The fact that doing so also helped MMH was serendipitous. And I’m sure we _all_ believe you, too. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/23 "2021-06-21T04:12:53Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Electus Matari is _poshlost._ Purging their citadel in Skarkon was not just our choice, but our obligation. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > They invaded alongside a huge nullsec-based _piracy organization_ for the express purpose of destroying the kybernauts’ irreplaceable citadels and murdering _our people_ without remorse. And do not forget, **they succeeded in destroying Pochven’s only Azbel-class citadels and killing more than a dozen brave men and women who remained on station for the defense.** These brave souls gave the last full measure of human devotion in the service of their friends, families, and allies, assisting our station gunner right to the bitter end. > > The blood of the innocent cries out for justice, and _by God,_ we heard their cries. Notice the feeling of _obligation_ in regards to destroying our structures but the faux outrage that we would do the same to them. I didn’t think the Pochven entry wormholes could support enough mass to let that much hypocrisy through… ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/24 "2021-06-21T04:20:13Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > Notice the feeling of _obligation_ in regards to destroying our structures but the faux outrage that we would do the same to them. How is that different? I expect that if the shoe had been on the other foot, you would have been more than happy to execute all of the staff who dared work with the Kybernauts and their Triglavian allies. You can’t go a single day without referring to us as _traitors_ and _betrayers_ of the Four Empires. That’s the basis of your argument? That capital punishment sounding in the law against _treason_ is sacrosanct whilst capital punishment sounding in the laws against terrorism is invalid? Sit down, little girl. You are far, far out of your element. And it’s especially hilarious coming from _you._ ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/25 "2021-06-21T04:26:17Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > whilst capital punishment sounding in the laws against terrorism What law? The Triglavians you claim are the sole authority in Pochven haven’t communicated any body of legal statutes. They just give you dire-sounding declarations through a Gallente intermediary who’s as clueless as you are about what they _actually_ want and the _actual_ intricacies of their society. Enough with your lies. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/26 "2021-06-21T04:27:56Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And I’m sure we _all_ believe you, too. Heh. You’ll have to decide which ■■■■■■■■ narrative to spin, Arrendis darling. Either we acted because of MMH, like you say now, or else we acted because we are the lapdog pets of our Triglavian Collective masters, like you say most other days of the week. I’m fairly well-known as the “affinity for authority figures” type, so it shouldn’t surprise you that I’m unapologetically in the latter category. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/27 "2021-06-21T04:33:55Z")
Oh, you’re definitely lapjackals, puppy. But let’s go ahead and unravel your latest stream of lies, shall we? > [@\[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/203): > > I speak for the Internal Triglavian Revolutionary Organization with the consent of the Convocation of Triglav Outside the Struggle. The Weaving of Pochven continues and Cladistic Proving through the Dialectics of the Concrete is in effect. Conditions within Pochven are evolving towards the optimal for continued development of human potential within the Struggle. There is no requirement for “mass evacuations” at this time. Organizations with a history of experimentation with forbidden hive-link… There it is. There’s the post you’re saying prompted the attack on the Astra. The post that was made on May 14. Which apparently prompted an attack, a second attack for the armor timer, and a final assault on the hull timer… **All on the same day.** > **[Astrahus | SoE Roughriders | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/92801941/)** > > (SoE Roughriders) lost their Astrahus in Skarkon (Pochven). Final Blow by Rychu Goldstein (Stribog Kybernaut Subclade) flying in a Drekavac. Total Value: 2,906,472,480.34 ISK Yeah, you _totally_ went after the Astrahus because of that post. Sure. You just, y’know, managed to force the Astrahus to travel back in time after each timer so you could do it all the very same day the post was made. _Gosh_, it’s almost like you’re not just a liar, but an _incompetent_ one. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/28 "2021-06-21T04:43:30Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > How is that different? I expect that if the shoe had been on the other foot, you would have been more than happy to execute all of the staff who dared work with the Kybernauts and their Triglavian allies. I would not and have never executed detained prisoners of war that came into my care. As much disdain as I do have for lapdogs of the Triglavians, I would not murder for murder’s sake. When it’s necessary, sure. Not shooting down your ships causes more damage than shooting them down and potentially killing some of your lackies. I acknowledge that pacifism is a form of violence against oneself and that tough choices need to be made sometimes. You take joy in killing your enemies, even when they’re not a threat anymore. You aren’t introspective. You never think about the things you’re doing. Your hard choices are always easy because of your lack of self-awareness. Some of my choices are easy too. Like the decision to attack that Azbel. But they’re _always_ easy for you. So spare me with your _so-called concern_ for laws against ‘terrorism.’ You’re the occupying force in these systems. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Sit down, little girl. You are far, far out of your element. You _know_ I won’t. I’m _famously_ bad at sitting down and shutting up. There’s nothing more _my element_ than speaking my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/29 "2021-06-21T04:56:20Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yeah, you _totally_ went after the Astrahus because of that post. Sure. You just, y’know, managed to force the Astrahus to travel back in time after each timer so you could do it all the very same day the post was made. > > _Gosh_, it’s almost like you’re not just a liar, but an _incompetent_ one. You’re reaching. You may want to scroll up some and note that members of Stribog Clade were warning against planned interference in Pochven a week earlier. And there was dear Electus Matari, clearly on the side of ARC. I warned _all of you_ on **May 10th** that: > [@\[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/52): > > News of your foolhardy plan has already entered the Cladeflow. The call to repel your _poshlost_ incursion has sounded, and the kybernauts of Stribog Clade stand ready to Prove you once again. I didn’t mean only ARC, but in fact ALL of you. ALL of you and your EDENCOM allies. And as our Paramount Executive said recently in another context, _I didn’t bluff._ ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/30 "2021-06-21T05:06:34Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > And as our Paramount Executive said recently in another context, _I didn’t bluff._ Yes he did. And now, just like you, he’s scrambling to try to make it look like he’s got the first friggin’ clue WTF he’s doing. And yes, you blahblahblah’d on May 10. But _that_ isn’t: > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Actually, it was the instruction from Subcommander Seriatim Foucault who declared unambigulously that “[i]nterference in the Weaving and the Struggle is poshlost activity” and exhorted Proven Kybernauts to take steps to curb such activity. > > We heard the will of the Collective and obeyed. So now who can’t keep their narrative straight? Hmm? Did you manage some magical time travel because you ‘heard the will of the Collective’ in ‘the instruction from Subcommander Seriatim Foucault’, or were you already planning to do your thing on May 10, 4 days earlier, and _conveniently_… ![MMHwar](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/8/c/c8cdeb82bec3927e1dbd04818d6a7a6d5e7dda64.jpeg) Why, the _very day after_ EM declared war on MMH! _What a freakin’ coincidence!!_ Seriously. You are _ **bad** _ at this. Honestly, at this point, you’re just embarrassing yourself. It almost feels like I’m kicking a puppy while it soils itself. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/31 "2021-06-21T05:10:31Z")
You have the weirdest hangups, Arrendis. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/32 "2021-06-21T05:11:49Z")
> [@Clyde\_ElectraGlide](#): > > Ah, miss Kim. Formally annoucin’ your allegiance to the Collective then? What is the meaning of such blatant and idiotic attempt at slandering me in public comms? I am not sure I do remember you, but since you’ve committed such an atrocious act, I’ll try it anyway with you. For your public lie about Caldari Officer, I challenge you to answer for your crime to fight in a Duel of Honor (provided you have it, of course). You can pick any weapon you want, would it be a baseline weapon or a capsuleer ship. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/33 "2021-06-21T05:14:41Z")
> [@Korsavius](#): > > Now if only justice can find the likes of you and the rest of your Provist and Dragonaur ilk. I don’t remember anyone was giving a word to a shameful traitor, thus do us all a favor and keep your aggressive mouth shut. You have no merit to address me whatsoever. For if I’d commit any crime in eyes of our Glorious State, according to My Honor I’d face a tribunal as expected from an Officer. Unlike cowardly traitors like you. Shame on you. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/34 "2021-06-21T05:34:37Z")
It’s funny1, that despite millennia of warfare showing that prisoners are better sources of useful intel and worth more in achieving a political solution when treated humanely, that people still insist on these kinds of displays. What did you hope to achieve by this kind of thing ? Instead of relatives of the prisoners pressuring the NADSC leadership to withdraw from hostilities, you’ve given them reason to demand vengeance and increase operations. Was that really what you intended to do ? I was amused by the notion of “legitimate governments of Pochven”, that one cracked me up though2. Especially in conjunction with the above. “Negotiate with us, or we’ll demonstrate our inability to be reasonable again !”. My sides. * * * 1. Funny peculiar, not funny ha-ha. 2. Now this one was funny ha-ha. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/35 "2021-06-21T05:48:28Z")
Just for the record I don’t have any quarrel with crew. Too many questions: did they know just who, with specificity, they were hiring on with? Was the hire ideological, financial … contextual? Did they particularly have a choice about it? Who do I hurt if I kill this person, aside from their relatives and loved ones? Is killing this person actually going to slow my opposition down even a little? There’s normally no real reason to hurt them other than incidentally, like if they happen to be standing near the reactor I just ruptured. Oops. Sorry. Better luck in your next life. Goodbye. Otherwise … yeah. Why stain my hands further? I’ll save my malice for someone else. Like, maybe, someone who actually asked for it. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/36 "2021-06-21T05:55:12Z")
> [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](#): > > she made a spectacle of what should have been a straightforward record of executions A shot to the head is a spectacle? It was a quick and painless series of executions. > [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](#): > > and made a point to pass it to others who she knew would spread it I did not. The footage was only passed along to the superior that ordered the recording in the first place. > [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](#): > > Working through emotions is shooting ships in space, pounding on a punching bag or sparring partner, meditating, or, in less healthy ways, drinking, or recreational narcotics. Consider the possibility that not everyone operates according to what you consider appropriate. You certainly do not according to what I and many others do. > [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](#): > > It was an active attempt to burn bridges and enrage. It was the prosecution of convicted terrorists. I am neither judge nor jury in this case. Only the executioner. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/37 "2021-06-21T05:59:03Z")
My condolences to the families and friends of the NADSC crew members. That said, I query the wisdom of posting this footage in so public a space. ---
**Author:** ![Avio\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avio_yaken/32/494184_2.png) [@Avio\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avio_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/38 "2021-06-21T06:07:53Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > A shot to the head is a spectacle? It’s not the shot in the head that’s considered the spectacle… It’s your own behavior and symbolism of the footage. Let’s break it down > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > [The feed switches to a much higher definition, unlabeled one, showing the interior of a vacant warehouse. Remilia Malitia can be seen striding into frame with an almost childlike jump in her step, So first off its you, not walking into this job with regret in having to carry out this simple and straightforward execution, but you skipping along in joy that you get to execute a bunch of people one after the other. And before you get uppity that I’m nitpicking at things… That’s kinda the point. Your own behavior betrays you and for sure makes just seem less of a sterile process of eliminating these “terrorists” but more of a fun filled moment for you… That you’re here and you’re enjoying what’s this is all about. > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > A dropsuit-clad soldier bearing the livery of Stribog Clade joins in, pushing along a large metallic chest suspended over a hovering platform. At Remilia’s gesture, he tips it over, dumping a pile of federal dogtags onto the floor. Instead of cutting right to the the executions you take a second to show a pile of dog-tags of presumably the people you’ve killed thus far as an appretizier to the viewer about what’s to come, and the pile serves a purpose further in when… > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > A guard then rips her dogtags off, tosses them into the pile and drags the body off-frame before another captive is brought forth. So these weren’t just confiscated dog-tags ahead of time… This is showing that you’ve most likely already executed prisoners prior to this. You’ve actively showing the count thus far and then proceeding to add to that count one after the other. > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > The procedure is repeated again and again for about two hours, during which 217 people are executed. This whole bulk of the footage alone… Why the hell even record it? No seriously, why. If you were serious about these just being painless straightfoward exeuctions and no way a spectacle… You would just ■■■■■■■ do it then release a report out saying what you did. But no, you had to record it. Why? So you can send it to NADSAC and so they can watch their employees get whacked one after the other…And they have to watch it. You couldn’t just release the names of those dead, they got watch the ■■■■■■■ thing so they can I.D those originally M.I.A and now report them dead to their next of kin. You wanted them to watch them get shot… Which brings me to the final part. > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > Remilia hands her pistol over to a guard and stands at the center of the feed and taking a theatrical bow, “Happy Federation Day!” The bow you give as if you just got done with a play And then topping it off by wishing the viewers a happy Federation Day after just blowing off a two hundred Federal citizens on their national holiday… This was clearly aimed to stab at their ego, at their pride and sour their high from a day of festivity You’re making a show out of this, and that’s precisely what is a spectacle, a performance on your behalf to taunt and demoralize your enemies. All of it engineered intentional to provoke and terrorize. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/39 "2021-06-21T06:10:43Z")
For the record, these things are true: Our Skarkon Astrahus was already on a timer when the Triglavian representative’s exhortation to destroy all things _ohnesh_ and sabotage the refugee work was posted. The ultimatum we were given when the structure was reinforced was “stop interfering with MMH or we will kick you out of Pochven”. This happened on May 11th. Elsebeth Rhiannon Head Diplomat Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/40 "2021-06-21T06:15:25Z")
> [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > So first off its you, not walking into this job with regret in having to carry out this simple and straightforward execution, Why would I regret carrying out justice? I did what was asked of me. > [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > Instead of cutting right to the the executions you take a second to show a pile of dog-tags of presumably the people you’ve killed thus far as an appretizier to the viewer about what’s to come, and the pile serves a purpose further in when… > [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > So these weren’t just confiscated dog-tags ahead of time… This is showing that you’ve most likely already executed prisoners prior to this. You’ve actively showing the count thus far and then proceeding to add to that count one after the other. The tags were those of Federal terrorists that had died during the battle in space. The uploaded recording shows the sum of all executions. > [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > This whole bulk of the footage alone… Why the hell even record it? > > No seriously, why. > > If you were serious about these just being painless straightfoward exeuctions and no way a spectacle… You would just ■■■■■■■ do it then release a report out saying what you did. > > But no, you had to record it. Because I was ordered to record it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062.md?page=3)