# Pochven Must Burn! **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062 "2021-06-21T00:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/61 "2021-06-21T15:13:37Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Precisely my point And my point was, Ms. Jackal, that your defensive personnel that chose to stay and fight to the end on your Azbel are also not ‘innocents’ by writ of their profession, employed by capsuleers. ---
**Author:** ![Avio\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avio_yaken/32/494184_2.png) [@Avio\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avio_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/62 "2021-06-21T15:14:09Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > You need not reach so hard. I’m the one who ordered it. It’s a standing order: all judicial proceedings are to be recorded and archived. > > They were _not_, however, authorized to be posted in public. But that certainly didn’t stop our dear propagadist OP. You can turn your ire on her, not on us. Deflecting from the reason I even ask about who the hell ordered it to begin with. The OP in question here made the post out of horror of what was sent her way and In a emotional response made the footage public. They do not see this as anything lawful or justice. What they saw in your actions is brutality Im not gonna turn my ire to them because they didn’t feel the need to record it. They’ve done nothing wrong here. > [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > This whole bulk of the footage alone… Why the hell even record it? > > No seriously, why. > > If you were serious about these just being painless straightfoward exeuctions and no way a spectacle… You would just ■■■■■■■ do it then release a report out saying what you did. > > But no, you had to record it. > > Why? So you can send it to NADSAC and so they can watch their employees get whacked one after the other…And they have to watch it. You couldn’t just release the names of those dead, they got watch the ■■■■■■■ thing so they can I.D those originally M.I.A and now report them dead to their next of kin. > [@Avio\_Yaken](#): > > Until we get to the top of these orders I wanna know what the intention in recording this long drawn out snuff film My care is not who made the footage public, My care is just what was the intenion here beyond just trying to provoke, trying to terrorize and how in the world is anything done here profressional when you could had just killed the lot of them then used the I.D to compile a report of all the names to send to NADSC so they can look down the list and go "Oh! John doe was killed. we can inform his next of kin.’ instead you had to make a long drawn out recording and force them to watch it so they can find out JOhn Doe died. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > all judicial proceedings are to be recorded and archived. Then why was it sent to NADSC and not just have it locked away in what archive you got? Again you dont even have to record it, just have transcripts or documents about what happened. No, you made a snuff film and when people call you out on it - You cower and say this is just standard protocol in servicing justice in your territory and everyone should learn to accept it as that. You people made a snuff film ---
**Author:** ![Issac\_Taredi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/issac_taredi/32/435383_2.png) [@Issac\_Taredi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Issac_Taredi)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/63 "2021-06-21T15:32:25Z")
Arrendis, I like the number 3. Its clearly the best number, right? Or is it 10? The best number certainly is not 4. In before Arrendis spends an hour arguing about the best number. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/64 "2021-06-21T15:32:29Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > I. What? @Arrendis did you see this one? I did. But like I said, Jackal’s just so incompetent at her lies, the best way to discredit her is let her do it herself. _That_, at least, is a field where she excels. Judging by convos I’ve had with our FCs, it’s basically the _only_ one, too. ---
**Author:** ![Clementine\_Lafleur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clementine_lafleur/32/414082_2.png) [@Clementine\_Lafleur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clementine_Lafleur)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/65 "2021-06-21T15:37:54Z")
Let me put this straight now I have a clearer head. I grieve for my crew and all the crew that lost their lives that day. I do my upmost when ever members who are put under my care when I take commander of ship to ensure their safety. They knew the risks, but they knew the importance of what we were doing. What I am angry about the is the very obvious spectacle that this video feed was. @Sahara_Jackal You knew full well the effect you would have forwarding it to Commander Adams. The malicious intent to once again agitate him for what? Fun and games? On Federation Day as well?! > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > She was understandably upset. I have ordered her to take leave to recuperate and seek counseling to work through her grief. > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > I think it is important for one to take joy in their work. @Sahara_Jackal Which is it? It seems to be that @Remilia_Malitia thinks otherwise? > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > all judicial proceedings are to be recorded and archived. An execution of crewmembers is not _judicial proceedings_. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Justice was served in Pochven today. Justice will not be served until no Trig or sympathiser draws breath. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > They were _not_, however, authorized to be posted in public. But that certainly didn’t stop our dear propagadist OP. You can turn your ire on her, not on us. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/66 "2021-06-21T15:38:02Z")
As far as I am aware the recording and trafficking of lawful terminations is not contraband on a Federal level and is in fact required as a matter of record in certain Agencies. I only know this because some of the displaced individuals we have taken in possess colourful backgrounds. Try to set aside your personal distaste for this one action and broaden your view. ---
**Author:** ![Avio\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avio_yaken/32/494184_2.png) [@Avio\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avio_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/67 "2021-06-21T15:40:16Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Try to set aside your personal distaste for this one action and broaden your view. Why send it to NADSC? Why is the person in the video skipping and acting all cheerful, showing off dog-tile collections? Why end the video with a tongue and cheek “Happy Federation Day!” Im not concerned with it being contraband or not to traffic terminations made, that isn’t what I’m bringing into question. It’s just this is not just some sterile “We’re carrying out our duty” This is making a show out of it then sending the show out to the victims to send some kind of message ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/68 "2021-06-21T15:44:37Z")
Forgive me, firstly: I am hardly as well spoken and professional as some of my corporation’s more elegant counterparts. A part of me deigns to consider that maybe not every Kybernaut is not such an incredulous whiner but rationally, from my quiet readings over the last few months, it seems that this truth is _not_ likely. This recorded act of extrajudicial murders violates every scruple of civilized warfare — sovereign nations or not. The lives of crew are not props for a macabre joyride; human rights are not an opt-in experience that are discarded when one wishes to proselytize, irony notwithstanding. As far as I am aware, civilized space is still at war with the Collective. Military actions — be they as simple as ship to ship combat or as quiet as logistical disruption and asset removal — are not terrorism. Or, at least, I would hope a group that has _cleaved stars out of the cluster_ and _actively occupy chunks of the empires’ homes_ would not be so sensitive as to plaintively label the legal, war-time retaliation of others as ‘terrorism’. However, it is evident in the tone of the recording that it was made not as a warning or at threat, but a childlike taunt. It is evident the delirium of both power and the pod has stricken at the core of Collective-aligned capsuleers. They forget themselves, and they forget that not every wartime captain’s patience or providence flows endlessly. With this video, the Collective has set another interesting precedent; NADSC shall retain this precedent at mind in future engagements with the Collective. When Pochven burns, it will bring me great joy to commission a nice set of diamonds from the ashes for every captain and crewman in NADSC. Yours, CC CEO, NADSC ---
**Author:** ![Nessi\_Narana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nessi_narana/32/391389_2.png) [@Nessi\_Narana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nessi_Narana)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/69 "2021-06-21T15:47:07Z")
And another time where triglavian sympathizers show their true face as psychopaths. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/70 "2021-06-21T15:49:36Z")
I can not speak to the motives behind these actions, they seem just as alien to me as they appear to be to you. Yet making such information free is the the closest thing to a “holy-act” possible within certain circles of the Federation. It certainly is within my humble Monastic Order. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/71 "2021-06-21T16:00:53Z")
> [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > @Sahara_Jackal Which is it? It seems to be that @Remilia_Malitia thinks otherwise? My grief is not for the Federals I put down. There is no contradiction here. > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > Justice will not be served until no Trig or sympathiser draws breath. Luc Duvailer could not have said it better himself. How typical for a Federal to default to genocidal threats every time they meet adversity. Try as you may to paint me as some sort of villain with this thread, I only ever limited my executions towards a select few convicted terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charles_cambridge_schmidt/32/372217_2.png) [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/72 "2021-06-21T16:03:12Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > I only ever limited my executions towards a select few convicted terrorists. You play coy. It’s tiresome. You are a butcher, joyfully so, who preens themselves behind the assumed veneer of self-imposed legality. Enough. Own your crimes and stand tall upon the pile of corpses you wish only to grow, or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/73 "2021-06-21T16:06:35Z")
> [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > @Sahara_Jackal Which is it? It seems to be that @Remilia_Malitia thinks otherwise? Grief in what happened to us, not what happened in the _lawful execution of illegal combatants._ She processes her grief by throwing herself into her work. And, as she says, she takes pride in her work. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/74 "2021-06-21T16:06:43Z")
> [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](#): > > You play coy. It’s tiresome. You are a butcher, joyfully so, who preens themselves behind the assumed veneer of self-imposed legality. Enough. Own your crimes and stand tall upon the pile of corpses you wish only to grow, or shut up. If you wish to add to the pile, that is your own prerogative, personally I’d still like to keep all killing to a minimum. Should you elect to grow the pile further, though, I would still refrain from standing on them, for I value the cleanliness of my boots too much to subject them to such disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/75 "2021-06-21T16:12:26Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > illegal combatants. This is a hard sell, considering they were members of a capsuleer crew. May as well be trying to say that any combatant you don’t approve of is illegal, despite an active war still being underway last I checked, and this fanning the flames you and Remilia are doing is only going to serve to make it last longer, with many more deaths to it and your own names. ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/76 "2021-06-21T16:13:43Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > If you wish to add to the pile, that is your own prerogative, personally I’d still like to keep all killing to a minimum. ■■■■■■■■, and you ■■■■■■■ know it. You nor your superior would have sent this to NADSC in such fashion If you weren’t trying to antagonize and cause more strife. If your intent was to intimidate into submission, the format is entirely wrong. And if, again, the intent was intimidation, and you truly believed it would work, you are even more the fool. This, also, I may add, signals the end of our Agreement, @Remilia_Malitia . You wanted to burn bridges, you certainly have done so spectacularly. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/77 "2021-06-21T16:15:19Z")
> [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](#): > > A part of me deigns to consider that maybe not every Kybernaut is not such an incredulous whiner but rationally, from my quiet readings over the last few months, it seems that this truth is _not_ likely. Who is whining? Certainly not us. You sent your ships on a suicide run out of pure spite after we fended off your pirate friends. Now you have reaped the consequences, performed with surgical efficiency. > [@Charles\_Cambridge\_Schmidt](#): > > Military actions — be they as simple as ship to ship combat or as quiet as logistical disruption and asset removal — are not terrorism. You’re not military. You’re thugs with more isk than sense. And the laws of your petty empires have no purchase among Pochven’s stars. We, the Glorified Kybernauts, were exhorted to extirpate all those who dare to interfere with the Weaving of Pochven–and _by God almighty, so we shall._ TL;DR? _You ■■■■■■ around, and you found out._ Try not to cry so much. ---
**Author:** ![Clementine\_Lafleur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clementine_lafleur/32/414082_2.png) [@Clementine\_Lafleur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clementine_Lafleur)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/78 "2021-06-21T16:18:08Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > select few convicted terrorists. Terrorist execute prisoners, record it and send to their enemies, to you know incite _terror_. But all you have done is incite anger. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > lawful execution of illegal combatants. Your form of lawful is as twisted as your form of diplomacy and self righteousness. > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > I’d still like to keep all killing to a minimum. I doubt this very much. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/79 "2021-06-21T16:23:46Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > You sent your ships on a suicide run out of pure spite There you go again. Our attacks on your structures have not been out of _pure spite._ You’re projecting again. Instead of projecting try taking your own advice… > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > TL;DR? _You ■■■■■■ around, and you found out._ Try not to cry so much. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062/80 "2021-06-21T16:26:41Z")
> [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](#): > > You nor your superior would have sent this to NADSC in such fashion If you weren’t trying to antagonize and cause more strife. > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > Terrorist execute prisoners, record it and send to their enemies, to you know incite _terror_. But all you have done is incite anger. Really wish this repetitive narrative against me would be dropped. I recorded only what I was instructed and sent it to Ms. Jackal. My only goal was to process the convicts. > [@Clementine\_Lafleur](#): > > I doubt this very much. You shouldn’t. I have been advocating for de-escalation and normalization of relations between the Collective and the Empires for months now. It just seems to always fall on deaf ears, maniacs too blinded by their visions of vengeance and violent reclamation to think about the human price to their excursions. Too often do you all only think of battles by the number of ships destroyed, infrastructure and equipment disabled, isk lost. I present to you the human price you so often ignore, and your reaction is to enable the death of more. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pochven-must-burn/317062.md?page=5)