# Poetic Justice: A view of anti-gankers failing **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 18, 2022, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243 "2022-01-18T04:22:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/325 "2022-09-30T01:14:27Z")
Oh yes, that is a very old trick heh. Yea, hit me up on discord. I can give you some starting help. The PvM side is kind of steep, tamer is a good easy way in. There is a neat provo bard mage tamer temp that can make decent money right away. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/326 "2022-10-03T06:08:56Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Being the majority in every game, they eventually get their way and ruin everything they touch. To be fair it wasn’t the Care Bears fault, it was the endless wardecing that went on, so both sides to blame for the removal of a system that was not fit for purpose, the answer was to fix or tweak it on some way, not just remove it ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/327 "2022-10-03T06:25:42Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > endless wardecing Plot twist: Endless wardeccing is why people played EvE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/328 "2022-10-03T06:41:39Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > To be fair it wasn’t the Care Bears fault, it was the endless wardecing that went on, so both sides to blame for the removal of a system that was not fit for purpose, the answer was to fix or tweak it on some way, not just remove it It was the carebear’s fault. They could have fought back using in-game options. Instead they cried and got stuff nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/329 "2022-10-03T06:47:04Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > This is actually only paying for itself if you fix the security status later by ratting The tags you rat are free? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/330 "2022-10-03T07:02:37Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Plot twist: Endless wardeccing is why people played EvE Online. Oh that reminds me, need to watch the meta show today Later that day : Well watched most of it, I’ll finnish it later. It’s a shame you wasn’t there, (or was you). I thought it was a very good show and nice to see some of the people I’ve been battling over the past years, I hope eve changes and you can have some of your play style back. Aiko pass my sentiments on if you can. Not all Ag want an end to ganking or a non pvp button. I want you to have the right to gank because you want to and I want the right to fight to stop you, I still think this a a ccp problem in the fact that they don’t explain to new player what they are getting into, make it clear it’s a brutal game and don’t sweep ganking under the carpet and pretend it’s not a thing. It can be really exciting game play for all 3 sides if people understand. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/331 "2022-10-03T10:27:43Z")
I would say so, although opinions on what free means varies, but you still pay a tax for each tag applied. That isn’t that much though. But yes, as someone else already pointed out, increase the security just by killing npc pirate ships in anoms will take exponentially more time then to hunt clone soldiers in low (who also increase sec status) and farm the tags yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/332 "2022-10-06T19:53:01Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > This is actually only paying for itself if you fix the security status later by ratting and not tags. If you use tags, you will be losing ISKs The hidden costs of ganking. Either rattting for hours or getting the clone soldier tags ( about 20m ISK…I used to trade them and still have some ) and paying a hefty Concord ‘fee’ on top of that. The tags for raising one’s status from below -5 are cheaper than the 20m ISK ones for raising from -2 to 0. I can see why some just go around as -10 all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/333 "2022-10-06T20:03:01Z")
Be thankful there’s tags tho. I’ve done the trip from -10 twice by just ratting alone 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/334 "2022-10-06T21:26:03Z")
![bobo](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/6/0/e60b1848736e9c2d1ae748f956f0ad0cbc3df647.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/335 "2022-10-06T21:43:52Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > -5 are cheaper than the 20m ISK ones for raising from -2 to 0. Doesn’t take that long ratting. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/336 "2022-10-07T16:33:09Z")
Again. That assumes perfect social skills, perfect location (sov-nullsec preferably, npc null doesn’t have enough density of anomalies), perfect ship to maximize efficiency of ratting (at least t3c or marauder I guess or enforcer/marshall) for which you need good skills as well. That is not a combination that anyone can do. If we exclude the possibility of ratting Clone Soldiers for tags yourself and only assume normal ratting, then it takes days of playing on Alpha clone to go from -10 to 0. And that is only if that alpha player has access to sov-null where he rats in t1 battleship. If he has to rely to quiet lowsec or npc null, it takes twice as many days. And if someone just started ganking like @Altara_Zemara and made new toon where he only trained/injected pvp pvp-gank relevant skllls, then this is completely out of the question and will take months of training or billions of ISK for injectors. Anyone who cannot pass these criteria is better to buy tags or at least farm them himself (which can be done on alpha actually). ---
**Author:** ![Skyla\_Amarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skyla_amarr/32/392813_2.png) [@Skyla\_Amarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skyla_Amarr)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/337 "2022-11-06T13:09:36Z")
Pitchforks are op. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/338 "2022-11-07T02:21:53Z")
Were these people not at war? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/poetic-justice-a-view-of-anti-gankers-failing/346243/339 "2023-02-05T02:22:29Z")
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