# Policy Update - Real Life Threats & Harassment **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [September 20, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861 "2018-09-20T15:58:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/269 "2018-09-21T06:15:57Z")
Just for transparency how many CSM members asked for this? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Jester\_Crux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonathan_jester_crux/32/97018_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Jester\_Crux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonathan_Jester_Crux)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/270 "2018-09-21T06:36:54Z")
Yes, punished, not to the extent he should have. Can we just start with the Mittani with this new policy and go back to that event? Start from there, and work forward? That event was exactly why these rules need to be here, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![zieg\_zion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieg_zion/32/138415_2.png) [@zieg\_zion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zieg_zion)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/271 "2018-09-21T06:37:26Z")
Kinda agree with this. Its simple, as much as i love playing eve its a great game its a ■■■■■■■ Game . That means if you cross the pixel line and start Doxxing you deserver the ban. The toxic element in the community really has driven of so many new players. ---
**Author:** ![zieg\_zion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieg_zion/32/138415_2.png) [@zieg\_zion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zieg_zion)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/272 "2018-09-21T06:38:15Z")
Rules are updated as society and gaming tech evolves. If mittani does it again he will get the ban hammer im sure ---
**Author:** ![zieg\_zion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieg_zion/32/138415_2.png) [@zieg\_zion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zieg_zion)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/273 "2018-09-21T06:40:37Z")
lol insults dont count . READ The damn new item its do with RL threats against the player themselves ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/274 "2018-09-21T06:43:43Z")
> [@zieg\_zion](#): > > lol insults dont count . READ The damn new item its do with RL threats against the player themselves Enough of them can easily count as harassment, as written in the Policy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/275 "2018-09-21T06:45:48Z")
And enough of them always could under the old policy as well. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/276 "2018-09-21T06:47:48Z")
But CCP did not hive a f\*\*\*\* about old policy, but MUST OBEY new policy, that is big difference. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/277 "2018-09-21T06:50:51Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > Hate Speech has been a hot button topic lately, specifically the ramifications of allowing people to pick and choose the definition of the term. Relevant: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/6/8/e6881af3dafb1c6b0cbd831a5613d0866a9c0889.jpeg "Christopher Hitchens | On the "regression to infantilism" at universities [1994]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erYZr22umGo) It’s from 1994, that how “hot” the topic is. He even predict the reaction some people here have. Kinda incredible. ---
**Author:** ![Deka\_Obi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deka_obi/32/97791_2.png) [@Deka\_Obi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deka_Obi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/278 "2018-09-21T07:37:22Z")
Does this mean we no longer have to deal with very bad …like BAD ‘rape jokes’ under harassment in relation to eve on 3rd party platforms? EDIT: It literally turns my stomach this is a part of eve. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/279 "2018-09-21T08:02:34Z")
If half the player base is banned for real life threats then that means a new half that can be occupied by new players. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/280 "2018-09-21T08:03:58Z")
There was a time when a corporation called the Defias Brotherhood would constantly post comments regarding ‘raping asteroids’ on the forums as their reason why they ganked miners. That was years and years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mingja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingja/32/50857_2.png) [@Mingja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingja)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/281 "2018-09-21T08:13:06Z")
> [@Nico\_Boru](#): > > When it comes to defining sexism, racism, and hate speech, each case must be viewed seperatly because what is considered the norm for one group could easily repulse another. Can you provide a reasoning behind that? Why should it be this way? You know, “proclaiming” things, then expecting that everyone follows doesn’t work unless you are a legal body. That’s the entire problem at the moment. I want CCP to tell me (us) what they expect from us (aka I want them to be the legal body) because it’s not as clear as you make it to be (i.e. you don’t provide reasoning, you don’t open a debate, you just proclaim things that I find ridiculous and which I can’t accept because you are not a legal body). CCP, in my opinion, has the obligation to tell us whether they define unclear terms one way or another. They define their rules and therefore, their rules need to be understandable. In times where definitions for various issues vary vastly, a more refined approach is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/282 "2018-09-21T08:20:32Z")
How about you provide a definition based on reasonable thoughts or common sources, then play a thought game of ‘If I don’t be silly and try to get within an inch of this, how silly a definition does it need to be for me to get in trouble’ And don’t go trying to point at the rabble rouser types of definitions, start somewhere decent but accessible and common. Then you’ll realise you are panicking over nothing, unless your intent is to go within an inch, then realise that intent is why CCP won’t provide you a strict definition. ---
**Author:** ![Mingja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingja/32/50857_2.png) [@Mingja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingja)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/283 "2018-09-21T08:25:37Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > How about you provide a definition based on reasonable thoughts or common sources, Which is exactly what I did. And I found vast discrepancies. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > then play a thought game of ‘If I don’t be silly and try to get within an inch of this, how silly a definition does it need to be for me to get in trouble’ I am nowhere near panic nor am I affraid to do things wrong. I’ve never smacktalked in my Eve Career. I have not found a need to offend people and I general chose to not engage in discussions about sensitive topics unless I feel that I have to, which is extremly rare (I think this is pretty much the only instance where I felt this is necessary). > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > And don’t go trying to point at the rabble rouser types of definitions, start somewhere decent but accessible and common. Oxford dictionary = common source, easily acessible to everyone UN definition = common source, easily acessible to everyone So, I did just that, but as I said: there are substantial differences and there is as much room to “wiggle” as there is between the sun and the center of the milky way (infact, there is infinite space to argue about it). > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Then you’ll realise you are panicking over nothing, unless your intent is to go within an inch, then realise that intent is why CCP won’t provide you a strict definition. My intent is to ask CCP for a more refined explanation because by common and accessible definitions, at least one term is absolutely unclear. I am also not fearmongering. I am not a person that predicts the end of free speech or implies that people will get banned over “nothing”. I did none of that and I found it rather distasteful that you imply bad intentions based on the grounds that I’ve used to argue so far. ---
**Author:** ![Sethyrh\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sethyrh_nakrar/32/12695_2.png) [@Sethyrh\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sethyrh_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/284 "2018-09-21T08:26:02Z")
I have seen miners, who where going complete ballistic in chats… Never reported that. Because EVE. As long as it doesn´t become a SJW-shitshow, I don´t realy care. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/285 "2018-09-21T08:27:26Z")
Those two sources you’ve quoted are not wildly different but actually very similar. It’s been explained to you in this very thread how they are common Yet you are sitting there insisting they are wildly different. You are clearly attempting to make a major drama out of something that doesn’t exist. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Mingja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingja/32/50857_2.png) [@Mingja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingja)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/286 "2018-09-21T08:31:44Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Those two sources you’ve quoted are not wildly different but actually very similar. I’ve elaborated on the differences I see. Feel free to check this post: > [@Policy Update - Real Life Threats & Harassment](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/230): > > The Oxford definition gives the option to assign both, positive and negative traits to every possible race. Racism can work both ways this way (as my teacher said to me, you are a positive-racist!) after assigning the most positive traits I could find to people from random nations and that is because it’s not universally used to belittle other races as inferior or the own race as universally superior (which is the usual use-case, but not the only one possible). The UN definition does not leave… > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > It’s been explained to you in this very thread how they are common No common agreement has been found on that, nope. So far, we have differences in opinion and that’s it. CCP hasn’t commented on it and I am not willing to make assumptions on what CCP might think. Therefore, I ask for clearification. If you can’t treat this simple plea for a better understanding serious and you think that’s a “Drama” then we can agree to disagree and stop the discussion between us. You can argue with me all day long if you are willing to have a discussion based on arguments. I don’t accept proclamations from a random person on the internet though that come without reasoning nor explanation. The reason for my postings is: I don’t think Publishers should get away with vague definitions for which no common consent has been established. The “public discourse” is very much ongoing and far away from something you could call an agreement. They should take responsibility for their rules and not leave that to others. Now, again, I emphasize that I do not care whether or not CCP choses to use an established definition or a more progressive one, I will strive to abide to whatever CCP asks me to in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/287 "2018-09-21T08:47:03Z")
I think this policy can be summed up as “Anything you say or do that has a negative action to a player outside of them playing EvE can be perceived as actionable” I also don’t see where all this B.S. for free speech is coming from, we had Google basically ban Alex Jones off all their platforms for not agreeing with him. That was an American company banning a American for what is law in America. If that doesn’t set the precedent that the internet “is not free” and companys can clearly “do as they wish on their platforms”, then I don’t know what is. Remember it is not popular speech that needs protection, it is the unpopular speech, and people have clearly shown by “doing nothing” that this is the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![Mingja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingja/32/50857_2.png) [@Mingja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingja)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/288 "2018-09-21T09:00:53Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > “Anything you say or do that has a negative action to a player outside of them playing EvE can be perceived as actionable” Which could be pretty much anything, as literally everything can upset players to the degree of them harming themselves. Quite vague, but I guess that’s about as much as we can expect (if at all…). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861.md?page=15)