# Policy Update - Real Life Threats & Harassment **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [September 20, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861 "2018-09-20T15:58:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/329 "2018-09-21T14:52:34Z")
> [@anas\_moraished](#): > > 1- What do you mean by online stalking ? > I do not see an issue with player hunt other player inside the game because revenge or hate > or what ever as long it is game hunt even if i hired merc to do so. > So what is it mean online Stalking. Online stalking the person behind the character. > [@anas\_moraished](#): > > 2-How do CCP Deal with false Report and fake evidince ? Abusing the report system is bannable. Good question though. I understood that evidence from 3rd party sites can not directly result in a ban, because CCP has no way of verifying it. In-game fake evidence will be found to be fake by a look at the logs. > [@anas\_moraished](#): > > 3-Log as in my precpictive is not prove for something because some one can fake that so do CCP > have them own Log as trusted evidince or prove ? Yes. CCP has extensive logs about everything that is happening in the game. > [@anas\_moraished](#): > > 4-how do CCP deal with Lies as tactic to ruin other player gameplay like this man said this when he did not > or this man did … ETC ?? They look into the logs. If a player abuses the report system, he’ll face consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/330 "2018-09-21T14:55:24Z")
It begins. ---
**Author:** ![Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ho_ma_fan/32/189383_2.png) [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ho_Ma_Fan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/331 "2018-09-21T14:56:18Z")
by the way, years ago I ran with some roamers who delighted in “ruining someone’s day”… giggling over someone’s grief was a big part of the fun… seemed wrong to me. I have purposely played the game OPPOSITE to the way CCP set it up and encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/332 "2018-09-21T14:59:54Z")
No one said you have to like that. I still don’t get what you are upset about? That others gloat if they win? That you can’t verbally abuse them? ---
**Author:** ![Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ho_ma_fan/32/189383_2.png) [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ho_Ma_Fan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/333 "2018-09-21T15:00:36Z")
not at all… I’m against the gloat 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/334 "2018-09-21T15:01:17Z")
Well, that is just part of every game be that on the internet or in a board game with friends. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/335 "2018-09-21T15:01:37Z")
Being mean is not nice. ---
**Author:** ![Nolak\_Ataru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nolak_ataru/32/258421_2.png) [@Nolak\_Ataru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nolak_Ataru)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/336 "2018-09-21T15:01:50Z")
@CCP_Guard it’d be appreciated if you answered the questions here: How many warnings until a ban? Do they go away after a while? If someone goes on a rant about my supposed ancestors, and I reply with a “yo mama” joke, should I be punished as harshly as he is? Do the GMs have a hard line, or is this going to result in another case of “I said ■■■■ you in local and got perma’d” while the next dude went on a racist rant and got a warning? Why is CCP unwilling to draw the line, despite it being how real-life law works regarding serious crimes (not thought crimes)? Is this a result of the Fair Play Alliance, or is this a byproduct of the buyout? Would you be able to say if this was a byproduct of the buyout? Which dictionary or legal definitions are you using? Does this mean you will be taking down the “HTFU” song because it is verbally abusing players? ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/337 "2018-09-21T15:02:16Z")
@CCP_Falcon @CCP_Guard > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Online stalking the person behind the character. I understand online stalking as within eve. That is not ilegal and a part of the game .why is it now ilegal. For more explain i might hunt some one in high sec and gang his ship\< I can serch via agent locator. so is this online stalking ? > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > They look into the logs. If a player abuses the report system, he’ll face consequences. This related to above . What is the limit and how CCP going to deal about some one lieing about the others so they keep him isloated or dealt with as hostile …ETC ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/338 "2018-09-21T15:02:23Z")
> [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](#): > > I’m talking about PvP winners trolling losers to get more tears to laugh about… > > An example would be the guys who posts YouTube videos of stalking miners in WH space in their Stealth Bombers… and then sending the victims “thank you messages” for receiving their “Torpedo deliveries”… > > seems kind of pricky to me, anyway Tell them to go f\*ck themselves or better yet laugh in their face about their failed attempts to provoke you into doing something stupid. Then come up with an evil masterplan of how to get proper payback. ---
**Author:** ![Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ho_ma_fan/32/189383_2.png) [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ho_Ma_Fan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/339 "2018-09-21T15:04:10Z")
certainly… but in my experience the Eve gloat goes way beyond decent bounds… why cultivate such attitudes? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/340 "2018-09-21T15:05:51Z")
> [@anas\_moraished](#): > > I understand online stalking as within eve. > That is not ilegal and a part of the game .why is it now ilegal. > For more explain i might hunt some one in high sec and gang his ship\< > I can serch via agent locator. > so is this online stalking ? No they mean that you can be punished for online stalking outside of the context of EVE. For instance, let’s say your name is Paul Muller and I look you up at Facebook and start harassing you there or writing some stuff to your friends and such. In-game stalking is not what they mean. > [@anas\_moraished](#): > > This related to above . > What is the limit and how CCP going to deal about some one lieing about the others > so they keep him isloated or dealt with as hostile …ETC CCP will normally not publish details on any specific case of account action they are taking. But rest assured, if someone repeatedly abuses the report system to accuse others of things they have not done, CCP will either start ignoring them or at some point may punish this attempted abuse of the system by a ban. Details will only be known to the person who did it and CCP. ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/341 "2018-09-21T15:05:54Z")
Short cut like (sorry) “STFU” as example how is it being dealt with ? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/342 "2018-09-21T15:06:14Z")
Just because something is not outright banned does not mean it is cultivated ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/343 "2018-09-21T15:06:26Z")
Dont worry, CCP Guard will protect you. \o/ ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/344 "2018-09-21T15:07:32Z")
> [@anas\_moraished](#): > > Short cut like (sorry) “STFU” as example > how is it being dealt with ? It’s okay. “Go f\*ck yourself” is okay too. “You are dumber than a soft-boiled potato” is okay too. I hope this answers your question. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/345 "2018-09-21T15:08:17Z")
> [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](#): > > why cultivate such attitudes? FYI: that culture and attitude was cultivated by some CCP employees which think that is normal human behaviour, but now come new owners which teach them polite and cultural behavior and expect that from EVE players too. ---
**Author:** ![Furoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/furoth/32/300078_2.png) [@Furoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Furoth)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/346 "2018-09-21T15:08:28Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I’ve seen my fair share of violence in real life and I can tell you that the vast majority of it starts with words and escalating over time to a readyness to beat each other up or worse. You say that ‘hate speech’ leads to violence; as if people are mindless sheep who follow the first thing they hear and therefore ‘hate speech’ must be stopped. You don’t even define ‘hate speech’. It’s a subjective weapon with no point that you keep swinging around. In other words stop differing opinions or we’re going to be in a global bar fight. I don’t think so. It’s not giving someone else a shitty time simply because they find opinions or beliefs offensive. That’s how you got into those fights. You should have walked away before you got your black eye. ---
**Author:** ![Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ho_ma_fan/32/189383_2.png) [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ho_Ma_Fan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/347 "2018-09-21T15:09:37Z")
"… Tell them to go f\*ck themselves " - only adds to their fun “… or better yet laugh in their face about their failed attempts to provoke you into doing something stupid …” - don’t get that one… I try my best not to do anything too stupid. “… come up with an evil masterplan of how to get proper payback…” - I’m not a “professional” Eve player… seems like a lot of work for a game I want to play a couple of hours a day… ---
**Author:** ![Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ho_ma_fan/32/189383_2.png) [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ho_Ma_Fan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/348 "2018-09-21T15:12:19Z")
EXACTLY!!! and so F\*ck those CCP emplyees. If they still around, hope new owners dump them! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861.md?page=18)