# Policy Update - Real Life Threats & Harassment **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [September 20, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861 "2018-09-20T15:58:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/369 "2018-09-21T16:09:40Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > “Online stalking”, hopefully does not include actual in-game stalking, hunting and killing? It’s kind of a big part of the gameplay of Eve. Because EVE is about hunting others I think they need to clarify this specifically. If I wardec someone because I don’t like their forum post, is that harassment? They have stepped onto a very slippery slope! ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/370 "2018-09-21T16:13:17Z")
They already did: > [@CCP\_Guard](#): > > Online stalking refers to out of game behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/371 "2018-09-21T16:18:20Z")
Then we entirely gucci here. Good work, thank you for this update and the work you guys do to keep the worst toxic crap from spreading. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/372 "2018-09-21T16:22:51Z")
> [@Mingja](#): > > Common sense is of no particular use in a world where facts are often considered offensive. I am so stealing this for everyday use. ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/373 "2018-09-21T16:26:59Z")
How do CCP deal with DDOSing agianst other player and agianst third party app that being used by player ? ---
**Author:** ![Furoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/furoth/32/300078_2.png) [@Furoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Furoth)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/374 "2018-09-21T16:34:57Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Hate speech is the act of using language as a weapon to decisively harm other people (an individual or group) based on things about them that they could never change (skin color, sex, height, weight, place of birth, etc.) and/or that alone have absolutely no negative influence on you (their gender, their job, their belief or non-belief in some gods, their clothing). Harm in this context means to declare them less worthy, threaten or incite violence against them, aggressively trying to push your agenda onto them by declaring them “wrong” for what they can’t change or what is not your business, as it doesn’t effect your personal freedom in a single way. What your describing looks a lot like civil rights guaranteeing full legal protections against discrimination for sex, religion, race and so on. And we agree here. I don’t think there are many nations that do not have these protections. What is different is the speech part. Recently in Canada there were 3 mosques that were exposed in the news for calling for the death of the Jewish. The only reason they are still there is because Canada’s charter of rights does not have laws against being a dumbass or having dumbass ideas. If we all began to legislate stupidity we would all be headed for prison. The laws are there to protect you and me against actual discriminatory actions taken against us, not the thoughts or words we don’t agree with. We don’t need to limit speech, even dumbass hate-filled speech. It is better for us to hear it and discuss it until we see it for what it is. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Guard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_guard/32/16499_2.png) [@CCP\_Guard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Guard)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/375 "2018-09-21T16:36:28Z")
> [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > How many warnings until a ban? It depends. There’s all kinds of internal guidelines about frequency, severity and such (for example 5 warnings in 2 months is way worse than 5 warnings over ten years). The purpose is to give people a chance to learn and adjust and if they don’t show an ability to do that, they may end up getting a temporary ban and eventually a permanent one. It’s all up to the person in question really. > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Do they go away after a while? They always stay on your record but they weigh less with time. > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > If someone goes on a rant about my supposed ancestors, and I reply with a “yo mama” joke, should I be punished as harshly as he is? Probably not. But the classic advice is not to violate the rules in response to a violation. If you respond equally, you are opening yourself up to possibly being successfully reported. This is a game for smart people, be smart about it but don’t be afraid to have fun 🙂 > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Do the GMs have a hard line, or is this going to result in another case of “I said ■■■■ you in local and got perma’d” while the next dude went on a racist rant and got a warning? Really broad question but in general players don’t have all the info to judge what’s appropriate in each case. For example they don’t know the other player’s warning and ban history etc. > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Why is CCP unwilling to draw the line, despite it being how real-life law works regarding serious crimes (not thought crimes)? We’re not putting people in prison or violating their constitutional rights potentially. We’re a business doing our best to foster a healthy community. Drawing precise lines publicly isn’t going to make anything better for anyone. > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Is this a result of the Fair Play Alliance, or is this a byproduct of the buyout? Neither. The Fair Alliance partnership might have a motivational effect if anything but we’re also rolling with them because this is something we want to do well anyway. > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Would you be able to say if this was a byproduct of the buyout? Absol > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Which dictionary or legal definitions are you using? Depends on which definition of the word “dictionary” you’re referring to > [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > Does this mean you will be taking down the “HTFU” song because it is verbally abusing players? ■■■■ no! 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/376 "2018-09-21T16:36:38Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The easiest way to not have to deal with this stuff is to not get close to that line. Can you at least point out where the line is? ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/377 "2018-09-21T16:38:40Z")
Yeah. Modern tech allows to make such kind of machinations and falsifications. If this is done by professionals on expensive tools, it requires a special prepared expert team to study the source to determine its fake satus. New kind of applications allows to stamp high quality fake audio, video or other source of information by trivial users even. I hope CCP has a dedicated team to identify if any respective reports aren’t fake. Modern AI tech allows to collect internet data around the World, such as photos, texts, videos and audio files, to perform specific set of redo operations automatically. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/378 "2018-09-21T16:40:32Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Hey, I ignored the weasel words… You have been using nothing but weasel words… ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Guard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_guard/32/16499_2.png) [@CCP\_Guard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Guard)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/379 "2018-09-21T16:50:01Z")
![astronauts](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/c/4ca9548d27a9bc5bef534ff8707eaccd77b0d964.png) ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/380 "2018-09-21T17:00:21Z")
> [@Keno\_Skir](#): > > Is there a CCP definition of hate speech? Maybe, but they sure as heck are not going to tell you what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/381 "2018-09-21T17:03:34Z")
■■■■■■■■. All these “past events” have shown is CCP does not enforce their “laws” equally. If you’re an EvE “superstar” like Mittens, you have nothing to fear but a token, limited “punishment” to show your widdle paw was slapped. CCP has no credibility in their system, and as such people are calling this out for what it is: a token nod to the SJW culture who will now use this “law” to their own ends while inbred morons like Mittens will still be perfectly safe to do whatever they want with impunity. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/382 "2018-09-21T17:06:01Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Oh wait. Real law works on a case by case basis also. Yes, but the rules have been articulated at least to some degree. That is the complaint. Yes, “don’t be a jerk” can probably work most of the time. But if your definition of “jerk behavior” and mine differ…it is in that area of difference where problems can arise. Which is why further clarification could be quite helpful. Especially in EVE where HTFU _was_ the rule of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/383 "2018-09-21T17:08:41Z")
How can they make random arbitrary decisions based more on whether or not they like you than any real “crime”, if they tell you what constitutes the crime? ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/384 "2018-09-21T17:14:13Z")
It is unfortunate that the average CCP employee can’t wrap their heads around moderately complex issues and must always default to their normal “hur dur” level of intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Nolak\_Ataru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nolak_ataru/32/258421_2.png) [@Nolak\_Ataru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nolak_Ataru)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/385 "2018-09-21T17:18:33Z")
> [@CCP\_Guard](#): > > Depends on which definition of the word “dictionary” you’re referring to I’m being serious, and I would appreciate it if you took this seriously as well. The fact that you are not is not a good sign. ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/386 "2018-09-21T17:26:01Z")
> [@CCP\_Guard](#): > > Depends on which definition of the word “dictionary” you’re referring to If i understand @Nolak_Ataru corectly i think he meant do you have a list of words that being dealt as hate or harassment or sexism…ETC ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/387 "2018-09-21T17:27:31Z")
> [@CCP\_Guard](#): > > astronauts.png896x924 443 KB ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/4/a4ad1df6606fec61467f90354206fac59180cb8d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/388 "2018-09-21T17:27:46Z")
More quistion. How CCP deal with who report stuff inside the game to the Law with out reporting back to CCP? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861.md?page=20)