# Policy Update - Real Life Threats & Harassment **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [September 20, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861 "2018-09-20T15:58:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/429 "2018-09-21T20:56:02Z")
Since i posted the entire transcript, unedited, I cannot be banned for it Feb 2018 Team Security announcement says: “Another misconception is that we´ll ban people for posting ticket replies which is not accurate. Over 15 years we’ve very rarely banned players for violating this clause (single digit number) and it’s always been on the back of a stack of previous warnings or over a wilful attempt to falsify or misconstrue communication for nefarious purposes.” ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/430 "2018-09-21T20:56:35Z")
Such a space lawyer ---
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/431 "2018-09-21T20:57:03Z")
If you want to follow rules you have to know them and understand them. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/432 "2018-09-21T20:57:25Z")
Good to know. Anyway, do you see the point about positive and negative context regarding the word “fu\*ck”? ---
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/433 "2018-09-21T20:58:03Z")
no i dont. Vulgar language is already prohibited, so again, what context must you use to make a traditionally vulgar word not vulgar anymore? If the word itself is prohibited, the context is irrelevant because simply using the word is in and of itself a violation. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/434 "2018-09-21T21:01:35Z")
> [@See\_See\_Please](#): > > no i dont. Vulgar language is already prohibited, so again, what context must you use to make a traditionally vulgar word not vulgar anymore? Okay, I’ll explain. Language evolved. The word “fu\*ck” has two completely different meanings: 1. Sexual meaning, as in the example you provided. 2. General fillword mostly used as a superlative for an expression, such as in: “I fu_cking love you" or "How the fu_ck did I not realize that?” While the latter is also not super formal language, it is generally not considered vulgar, because no sexual connotation is implied automatically. ---
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/435 "2018-09-21T21:03:18Z")
And all of those examples violate the PEGI 12 rating and other sections of the EULA, so are you going to argue context if they decide to hit you with a warning for using profanity? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/436 "2018-09-21T21:03:29Z")
Which is also the case in HTFU by the way. > [@See\_See\_Please](#): > > And all of those examples violate the PEGI 12 rating and other sections of the EULA, so are you going to argue context if they decide to hit you with a warning for using profanity? If you believe that then why did you ask CCP if it is ok? Your whole case is completely inconsistent. ---
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/437 "2018-09-21T21:06:49Z")
I asked for shits and giggles. I wanted to see if telling someone “harden the ■■■■ up” in local could get me in trouble. The response I got was “yea, it could, depends though” That’s kind of a ■■■■ answer In fairness, I came back from a 4 year break and a lot of my old friends told me that eve had changed and to be careful what I said in text chat as I am known to swear frequently. I just opened the petition to “test the waters” for lack of a better phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/438 "2018-09-21T21:13:11Z")
> [@See\_See\_Please](#): > > That’s kind of a ■■■■ answer It was a perfectly good answer. The actual problem is you did not understand it and we tried to explain it to you multiple times now. ---
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/439 "2018-09-21T21:16:04Z")
Lets try another example. Robbing stores is against the rules. If you get caught robbing a store, the context of your robbery is not taken in to account. Same principle, different situation… Saying “■■■■” is prohibited. If you get caught saying “■■■■” you think the context somehow magically becomes relevant. The rule isint “you can say ■■■■ just dont do it in XYZ context” its “dont use ■■■■” ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/440 "2018-09-21T21:20:14Z")
🙄 ---
**Author:** ![See\_See\_Please](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/see_see_please/32/97716_2.png) [@See\_See\_Please](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/See_See_Please)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/441 "2018-09-21T21:20:44Z")
Well, is there or isint there a section of the EULA that says you cannot use profane language? And if there is a section that says you cannot use profane language, where is the disclaimer that even your usage of profanities will be contextually considered? Now, add in a zero tolerance approach to things and you have people being banned for using profanities, regardless of context. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance, context becomes irrelevant For some history, the context argument largely stems from the “i know it when I see it” opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio The [phrase](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase) " **I know it when I see it**" is a [colloquial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloquial) [expression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expression_(language)) by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 by [United States Supreme Court](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court) Justice [Potter Stewart](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_Stewart) to describe his threshold test for [obscenity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity) in _[Jacobellis v. Ohio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobellis_v._Ohio)_ .[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-2)[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-3) In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not [obscene](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity) under the [Roth test](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth_test), and therefore was [protected speech](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech) that could not be censored, Stewart wrote: > I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [“hard-core pornography”], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But _I know it when I see it_ , and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-4) The expression became one of the best-known phrases in the history of the Supreme Court.[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-5) Though “I know it when I see it” is widely cited as Stewart’s test for “obscenity”, he never used the word “obscenity” himself in his short concurrence. He only stated that he knows what fits the “shorthand description” of “hard-core pornography” when he sees it.[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-6) Stewart’s “I know it when I see it” standard was praised as “realistic and gallant”[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-7) and an example of candor.[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it#cite_note-8) ---
**Author:** ![CaII\_Me\_Daddy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caii_me_daddy/32/97872_2.png) [@CaII\_Me\_Daddy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CaII_Me_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/442 "2018-09-21T21:38:18Z")
PG14 lol ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/443 "2018-09-21T21:46:42Z")
> [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > You don’t get rid of hate by curb-stomping it. You get rid of hate by opening a dialogue and talking. Need I remind you of the black guy who dismantled an entire branch of the KKK by talking to them? If somebody’s racism has gotten them to the point that they’re willing to make real life threats against somebody, they should be removed from our community. Somebody else can try to educate them - this is a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/444 "2018-09-21T21:49:40Z")
> [@Moac\_Tor](#): > > There are more important things that the CSM should be working on. Apart from real life threats or attacks, I don’t see why this matters when it is simple to just block a person. This is primarily talking about real life threats. And that’s why we worked on it. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/445 "2018-09-21T21:52:59Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > Just for transparency how many CSM members asked for this? We were unanimous in our desire for this meeting and we’re all pleased with the results of it. ---
**Author:** ![FireFrost](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/firefrost/32/423727_2.png) [@FireFrost](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FireFrost)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/446 "2018-09-21T21:55:55Z")
they don’t have to define anything or do anything , or even follow their own rules , they own the game , well pearl abyss does - it’s not governed by any authority figure or presence other than themselves . you can not say ok we play on the north american server therefore we have free speech. they are free to enforce the rules for some but not others , it is just the way it is . just like making sp farming alpha alts to plex an omega account . ccp has the authority to ban anyone for anything or to steal sp as they wish and not give a reason , or to spawn you in a limited edition ship if they like . lol if you don’t like it don’t play it . don’t hate the player - hate the game o.O ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/447 "2018-09-21T22:07:29Z")
> [@Syfa](#): > > THE LINE IS BEING DELIBERATELY OBFUSCATED BECAUSE NO CLEAR CONCISE EXAMPLES ARE BEING PROVIDED. You are encouraging weaponizing a community against “mean things” being said and refuse to actually engage with the idea that some people might have some legitimate concerns with this. [http://crimefeed.com/2018/01/explainer-swatting-prank-calls-swat-teams-rise/](http://crimefeed.com/2018/01/explainer-swatting-prank-calls-swat-teams-rise/) This is a simple concept, so I don’t know why I need to keep repeating it - if you make a real life threat to someone because of something in EVE, you do not belong in our community. If you decide because something happened in the game that you want to go on Twitter or Facebook, harass the person you don’t like, publish their personal information in an attempt to intimidate, otherwise do the kinds of stuff that a reasonable person would view as threatening because of something in EVE, you don’t belong in this community. This isn’t about “mean things.” The entire point of this clarification was to highlight what is done about real life threats. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/policy-update-real-life-threats-harassment/107861/448 "2018-09-21T22:19:01Z")
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