# Politics in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 8, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826 "2020-04-08T01:42:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ahmed\_748](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahmed_748/32/196538_2.png) [@ahmed\_748](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ahmed_748)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/36 "2020-04-08T19:33:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Creates post about Lore, including referencing Amarr specifically my own experience in the game > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > flags posts about God. > [@ahmed\_748](#): > > I was talking about the politics not about god is he exist or not. I just say that to say : " No one can make a new culture that all it’s parts is not exist in the reality ". and please talk about the subject “do we make the fictions by combining this with this or make them by simulate existed politics or that is not important at all the game is just for play and we should Ignore ?” people above understood the topic and did not change the subject > [@QuakeGod](#): > > No one is forcing you to roleplay… > [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > When you create a character in EVE, that character can represent you and your personal beliefs, if you wish. You don’t have to follow the beliefs of the race your character belongs to. Your corporation can be your faction. I’m Caldari, but I’m more like a space hippy than anything else, something which is very anti-Caldari. > [@Gregorious\_Methodios](#): > > I’ve always had a problem with fundamentalist slave keepers, and I’m Amarrian. But this is not the game for role-play anyway. Only cost-efficient way to do that in EVE is in the hanger, which is kind of a shame actually. Doesn’t matter what anybody wants in EVE, and even if they got it, the foundation would just be tossed aside for another in a few months. > > And nobody knows why there are political themes in EVE, so ignore them as the devs and players do when it’s more convenient, and for everybody’s sake don’t try to introduce yet another. they talked with respect within the boundaries of the topic but you did not. you just started to laugh about people who believe in God > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Rubbish > > What about God? > > Checkmate, atheist ---
**Author:** ![ahmed\_748](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahmed_748/32/196538_2.png) [@ahmed\_748](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ahmed_748)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/37 "2020-04-08T19:41:03Z")
Guys if you want to talk about god, existence and religions this forum is not for that. I wish you understand me. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/38 "2020-04-08T19:46:51Z")
> [@ahmed\_748](#): > > I believe that The Creator’s law should take control of the universe which is somehow taken from Islam I think ( “somehow” refers to 2nd paragraph ), but in the same time Ammar say that they are the right controlers of the universe which is inconsistant with my believes, and is somehow taken from Judaism i think. > > What to do in this case ? It’s fictional, google it. Any religion in game has no direct reference to any real world religion to avoid setting players against each other due to real life beliefs/politics. So the best thing to do is keep real life religion and real life politics out of a fictional universe. > [@ahmed\_748](#): > > I sugget to give right to people to make there own fictions and then the game will be a huge warzone with ultimate fictions and ultimate fights. EVE Online offers a sandbox since 2003 where everyone can create their own fiction either based upon the lore or parallel to it or even stories that are conflicting with the lore. Can you explain what is holding you back and who told you not to make your own fiction? > [@ahmed\_748](#): > > In the end don’t make something in the game like the direct intervention of the deity because it makes the game itself have politics and that is not good. No deity intervenes in this game. There are only references in the lore. TLDR: What a horrible low effort post you made there… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/39 "2020-04-08T19:53:40Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > No deity intervenes in this game. Bob demands a penance, he’ll accept an exploding shuttle containing 3 exotic dancers at the nearest star, and 3 hail Chribba’s. ---
**Author:** ![ahmed\_748](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahmed_748/32/196538_2.png) [@ahmed\_748](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ahmed_748)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/40 "2020-04-08T19:54:38Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > It’s fictional, google it. > Any religion in game has no direct reference to any real world religion to avoid setting players against each other due to real life beliefs/politics. So the best thing to do is keep real life religion and real life politics out of a fictional universe. You are right > [@Aedaxus](#): > > EVE Online offers a sandbox since 2003 where everyone can create their own fiction either based upon the lore or parallel to it or even stories that are conflicting with the lore. Can you explain what is holding you back and who told you not to make your own fiction? I really did not know they do in fact I did not know that the game was made so long ago > [@Aedaxus](#): > > TLDR: What a horrible low effort post you made there… sorry ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/41 "2020-04-08T19:59:42Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Bob demands a penace, he’ll accept an exploding shuttle containing 3 exotic dancers at the nearest star. I pray Bob for penance. I will fly my shuttle into the deep darkness of null. My ship will be purged from the plane of existence, it’s wreck salvaged ferociously. My pod will burst with eternal flames as my lifeless body instantly freezes over, free to be picked up by any capsuleer to use for his own pleasure. Bob will smile as the blasphemy will be obliterated with the rebirth of a clone where my consciousness will be transferred to with the blessing of Bob. ---
**Author:** ![Gregorious\_Methodios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gregorious_methodios/32/253622_2.png) [@Gregorious\_Methodios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gregorious_Methodios)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/42 "2020-04-08T20:12:01Z")
You have generated a decent volume of chat, so intended or not, congratulations. And you are right, we cannot make something from nothing, and words are only keys to unlocking existing definitions, and do not carry any other intrinsic information. Europe before the EU is the Europe however imperfect in my mind when I think of it even now. What has become of what was I don’t have the definitions for, not having lived through them but from afar. So I don’t recognize it. To me it became muddled, watered-down, the lines blurred, unique cultures lost. My closest handy analogy to EVE is the EU as it is now (to me), in all ways a fuzzy blur. No real borders, no culture, nothing to build for but oneself, and nothing to fight for but oneself. What I’d like to see in EVE is forced roles; for example if you’re Gallente then you have a role in Gallente culture, a role in Gallente building/support, and a role in its defense. I wouldn’t have 200 odd different boats in the hanger, as with wealth should come responsibility to your ‘people’, and I do not have the playing time available to give that. I could likely give destroyer or cruiser time at best, so would not be all that ‘high’ in Gallente society. And that’s as it should be if we want to play a game anyway and not just participate in a really expensive way for everybody to cheat at the same card game. And likewise, if I turned against my culture I would be treated more harshly as a ‘traitor’ than if I committed the same crime against the same person, as a ‘Caldari’, because “…that’s just the way those Caldari are…” Ie a Gallente ganking a Gallente would be a far more heinous crime than a Caldari ganking one, and so should lose status to much greater degree. Somebody knew this in EVE when it was envisioned, the 4 main factions are all the necessary proof. But like the different cultures, even the ships lost definition, and where they couldn’t be adjusted the chimeras, the pirate ships, the T2 and T3 boats, etc were introduced. From inception when it must have looked so clean-cut on paper, to now when every player can be a god if you’ve got the bucks, and no matter what you fly or where you come from, there’s nothing that boat can’t do within a certain point of view. So I think you should ignore the politics so as to avoid being the ‘odd nail’ rising up higher than the rest (so begging for a hammer), and stick with a group of friends. If you do not want to ignore the game politics, then any politics you do ‘make’ I feel strongly should be sourced from your racial faction so that others will have a place for your ‘character’ in their minds and so possibly reinforce your role-playing enjoyment. As far as religion and politics being mutually dependent, I have not thought enough about that to venture. I have always appreciated one of Heinlein’s quotes about politics, and pretty much feel it applies to religion also: “Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.” Again, good luck. ---
**Author:** ![ahmed\_748](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahmed_748/32/196538_2.png) [@ahmed\_748](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ahmed_748)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/43 "2020-04-08T20:45:02Z")
> [@Gregorious\_Methodios](#): > > So I think you should ignore the politics ok 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aphrodite_sexy/32/420261_2.png) [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aphrodite_Sexy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/44 "2020-04-09T00:26:56Z")
> [@Ramona McCandless](#): > > > [@ahmed\_748](#): > > > > The brain can not imagine something that all its parts is not exist in reality > > Rubbish > > What about God? > > Checkmate, atheist (you shouldn’t have flagged him, don’t think that counts as offensive) (ahmed, you should’ve waited until I refuted him, so you don’t have to delete that. That is correct.) Pretty sure people think of him as the all powerful being. He may or may not exist, but it is easy to imagine an all powerful being. For example, magic may or may not exist, but we can imagine fire, and a person, so a person going avdakedavra and then creating fire is magic. Just imagine that, but add all the powers of the world to him, and you get God. ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/45 "2020-04-09T00:38:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > In game politics happen completely seperate from the fiction. > > Unless an NPC has started talking about the donut? I guess it could be too much trouble to do (especially to update), but what if NPCs did refer to the larger blocs. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/46 "2020-04-09T00:58:39Z")
> [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](#): > > magic may or may not exist _Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic._ ~ Arthur C Clarke’s 3rd law (for science fiction) _Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology._ ~ Arthur C Clarke’s 3rd law (for fantasy fiction) _Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God._ ~ Michael Shermer ---
**Author:** ![Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aphrodite_sexy/32/420261_2.png) [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aphrodite_Sexy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/47 "2020-04-09T02:02:47Z")
First one I understand, second one I don’t, third one I do. But that’s pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/48 "2020-04-09T05:15:37Z")
> [@Gregorious\_Methodios](#): > > I’ve always had a problem with fundamentalist slave keepers, and I’m Amarrian [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/a/9a806fba8235ae82977139e650d838851d25a018.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/AGduyEA) ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/49 "2020-04-09T06:47:43Z")
If you read the right fantasy, the second one makes perfect sense. Bamboozle the muggles by pretending the advanced magic is just technology. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/50 "2020-04-09T10:59:01Z")
Indeed, and some even go to the extreme of using both the first and the second versions of Clarke’s 3rd law, in the same books. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/51 "2020-04-09T16:25:04Z")
> [@ahmed\_748](#): > > Ammar, Minmater, Caldary, and Gallente have some politics that is sometimes not even close to reality, or it is such weird. We need a more colorful man to lead one of the empires. Maybe, an orange coloured man? And then the narrative can be, orange Man bad. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/52 "2020-04-09T16:57:05Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > an orange coloured man? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/6/5/c65f24de7f4efee3795f9feea4ee69cd70f81225.jpeg "Tango - Orange Man (1992, UK)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqVFnxHWnlc) ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/53 "2020-04-09T17:05:34Z")
Id vote for him. Lets Make Amarr Great Again! ![Hat](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/b/4bf1617c82c067adcee7b063b1f50cf96d2d1abc.png) ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/54 "2020-04-09T17:56:59Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > We need a more colorful man to lead one of the empires. Maybe, an orange coloured man? We need blue men! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/9/b/c9bceefe06c110170757c9c84f6bd0c0412f78e2.jpeg "Blue Man Group - Drumbone (Melodifestivalen 2010 Sweden)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOLBn8GKBlA) ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/politics-in-eve/230826/55 "2020-04-09T18:01:27Z")
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