# Preseverance , The absurdity of a ship **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [December 13, 2025, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956 "2025-12-13T07:13:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/revenge_lady_revenge/32/476257_2.png) [@Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Revenge_lady_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/1 "2025-12-13T07:13:37Z")
As the title indicates, this would be the concept for creating the least functional ship from a conceptual standpoint: a ship for alpha players that requires omega skill to use, since all its bonuses are for ice, and that’s an omega skill. It’s like being sold a gun but not being able to use its bullets. An alpha player can’t benefit from this ship, and an omega player would be more inclined towards an Exumer or the Endurance frigate. For this ship to make any sense, it would need an ice laser system, somewhat inefficient, but usable without the omega skill; then the ship would have some purpose. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/2 "2025-12-13T07:56:11Z")
It’s not an Alpha ship. It is currently mislabeled in the ship tree. Alphas can’t mine ice, so this ship is useless to them… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/3 "2025-12-13T07:58:51Z")
> [@Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](#): > > it would need an ice laser system It already has that. It can only fit ice mining lasers. It can’t fit ice mining strip miners. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/4 "2025-12-13T08:04:30Z")
> [@Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](#): > > usable without the omega skill They are never going to let Alphas mine ice, not matter how inefficiently…. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/5 "2025-12-13T13:38:34Z")
> [@Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](#): > > An alpha player can’t benefit from this ship No one cares about Alphas. If you want more, you can pay for the game. > [@Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](#): > > an omega player would be more inclined towards an Exumer or the Endurance frigate Oh, you know, there’s only the whole part where a mining destroyer takes less skill to pilot than either of the T2 hulls you listed there. Omegas don’t come with all skills fully trained, and this ship makes a nice option where you want more maneuverability than a barge but don’t have the skills for an Expedition Frigate. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/6 "2025-12-13T14:51:07Z")
> [@Revenge\_lady\_Revenge](#): > > An alpha player can’t benefit from this ship, and an omega player would be more inclined towards an Exumer or the Endurance frigate. If it weren’t for the fact that it’s limited edition, you probably _would_ see it used over the endurance because the yields are similar, but the efficiency is much higher. As is, it’s a bit of a novelty, just like most limited edition ships, and I don’t see why that isn’t basically fine. ---
**Author:** ![Kestrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kestrix/32/420684_2.png) [@Kestrix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kestrix)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/7 "2025-12-15T00:31:06Z")
I suspect and don’t quote me on this… but… I think this ship requires investment to shine. Skill points, Implants and equipment with fleet boosts. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/8 "2025-12-15T01:13:38Z")
The Tholos and Cenotaph should have been novelty ships as well. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/9 "2025-12-15T03:46:44Z")
The opposite, really. It’s got roughly the same output as an Endurance, which takes 3 level 5 skills to fly. The Perseverance needs Mining Destroyer 2. The highest skill needed to fly the Perseverance is Industry 4, which you need in order to train Ice Mining, so you’d already have that factored in. Mining Barges need Astrogeology, and there’s a lot of place I won’t take a barge that I’d happily take a nice nimble mining destroyer. Multibox ninja mining nullsec ice changes if you have these. Expedition Frigates are a long side train if you’re also training into Exhumers, and the Perseverance is on the way to Exhumer. ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Kerns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jordan_kerns/32/465999_2.png) [@Jordan\_Kerns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jordan_Kerns)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2025, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/10 "2025-12-29T05:00:12Z")
The ice G-Wagon (300k-isk) ship is omega only… and is a wonderful killmail for gankers. The price will go down if a BPO is offered, but something tells me, this will be a limited run. Shame because this opens up some more dangerous ice opportunities in systems where tha locals are tied up producing moon goo. I wish this bird was a Tech II along with the outrider pushing command bursts ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/preseverance-the-absurdity-of-a-ship/502956/11 "2026-03-29T05:00:27Z")
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