# Price change on steam monthly price for OMEGA **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 5, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776 "2019-04-05T23:27:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/186 "2019-04-30T20:22:17Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/57): > > That 2156 also includes cost of health insurance etc. Most people pay that AFTER they got their net income. Stop embarrassing yourself. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/57): > > Or at the very least stop wasting time on games and start putting that time into doing better. He already stated he was going to stop wasting time with this: > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/11): > > I will not pay at all. He will opt not to pay the higher price it seems. So then it boils down to basic lemonade stand economics. If CCP charges too high in a region they may actually end up with less revenue, at which point they may have to revisit their pricing, as I mentioned before. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/187 "2019-04-30T20:31:36Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/58): > > anymore than my ability to search and read up on how to make pasta makes me an amateur cook. Yes. Yes it does. By definition that makes you an amateur pasta chef. Stop embarrassing yourself. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/58): > > Never did this. Yes you did, by uselessly quoting _average_ statistics instead of finding _median_ statistics, like a bad economist would to try to tell him what _average_ livelihood would be, when really _median_ livelihood is closer to the truth. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/58): > > Come back when youve actually realize how evidence works, and the difference between evidence, facts, statistics, and opinions Already showed your numbers were crap, no further work needed from me here. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/188 "2019-04-30T20:37:45Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/62): > > Yes. Yes it does. By definition that makes you an amateur pasta chef. Stop embarrassing yourself. So whats your definition of Amateur, then? > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/62): > > Yes you did, by uselessly quoting _average_ statistics instead of finding _median_ statistics, like a bad economist would to try to tell him what _average_ livelihood would be, when really _median_ livelihood is closer to the truth. And when did I ever apply those averages to him, and his income? > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/62): > > Already showed your numbers were crap, no further work needed from me here. Seeing as how you ignored half my arguments against you, i guess you took your own advice of: > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/62): > > Stop embarrassing yourself. And stopped responding to them. Good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/189 "2019-04-30T20:51:23Z")
Average income is like income brutto. We have an joke about brutto income here: it’s like to provide lenght of my d\*\*\* along with lenght of my spine. That’s how accurate it is. Cheaper prices worked like forever on steam, they don’t have the tools to check it out? Unfair for whom? I have zero influence on my country currency pucharsing value. CCP just removed maybe 1/6 subbing playerbase. Higher plex prices will finish the job (irelevant why plex prices rises for current discussion). ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/190 "2019-04-30T21:01:34Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/63): > > So whats your definition of Amateur, then? I gave you the chance to stop embarrassing yourself, but yet you keep on… _Seriously_, stop embarrassing yourself. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/63): > > And when did I ever apply those averages to him, and his income? When you posted an embarrassing link showing embarrassing bad statistics on _average_ income. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/63): > > Seeing as how you ignored half my arguments against you, i guess you took your own advice of: That’s cause your “arguments” are embarrassingly unworthy. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/63): > > And stopped responding to them. > > Good for you. Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/191 "2019-04-30T21:21:40Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/65): > > _Seriously_ , stop embarrassing yourself. Just because you repeat it, doesnt make it true. Were not in a cult, here, you know. Again, why dont you come at me with actual arguments and evidence, and, y’know, not opinions. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/65): > > When you posted an embarrassing link showing embarrassing bad statistics on _average_ income. I dont think you understood the question, so ill rephrase. Do you understand the difference between an income of a specific individual, and the average income of a country? Yes or no? If your answer is yes, then… Do you understand that stating what the average income of a country is, is in no way a measure of how much money any specific individual makes? If your answer is yes, then… Do you understand that @James_Budweiser was the one who stated what he thought the average monthly salary is, and that he didnt state what the _median_ income was? If your answer to all those is Yes, then please, explain how I applied those averages, to him. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/65): > > That’s cause your “arguments” are embarrassingly unworthy. Me: _Long, step-by-step refutation of your arguments_ You: “Stop embarassing yourself!” Me: “So refute them. Should be easy, right?” You: “Nope!” Me: ![tenor](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/8/7808f710f06c1bbd7c9c5ef4c27a21dfdd6e433b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/192 "2019-04-30T21:51:21Z")
I feel as though this thread is getting off topic, so just to pretty much end this discussion by demonstrating how youre wrong… > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/1): > > In Poland where average monthly salary is > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/7): > > Also, not true. > [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/48): > > If you were serious, you would have used median Yeah, youre right, I shouldve used the median… Wait, my character name isnt James Budweiser. James: Average income in Poland is… Me: Actually, according to official statistics, its this. You: Average is useless. If you were serious, you would have used median. Me: Yes, maybe you shouldve used the median, James. Oh, youre talking to me. Why? I just corrected him on what the official statistics are. You: An **outsider** shouldnt use his governments statistics to tell him how much money he makes! Me: Look, all I did was correct him. Whether you think the government was corrupt or sketchy is your opinion, but thats the statistics we have. You: Stop embarrasing yourself! Please, re-read this topic from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/193 "2019-04-30T22:14:55Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/67): > > I feel as though this thread is getting off topic, so just to pretty much end this discussion by demonstrating how youre wrong… You talk about evidence but have provided nothing but garbage. I provided statistics showing your numbers were garbage. You never acknowledged my arguments, so I don’t have to acknowledge yours. Rules of the internet, sorry I don’t make them. So I can do this too, you’re wrong… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/194 "2019-04-30T22:36:53Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/68): > > So I can do this too, you’re wrong… 🤣 I see youve devolved to “No U” arguments. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/195 "2019-04-30T22:49:34Z")
Truth be told it was obvious right from the start that he has nothing to say. Well… At least we have seen some numbers related to Poland and average salaries. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/196 "2019-04-30T23:39:26Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/69): > > I see youve devolved to “No U” arguments. > > Sad. Nope. You do realize most players do not visit these forums anyways, so they’re not going to see that you lost a long time ago… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/197 "2019-05-01T06:32:06Z")
> [@Steam Omega prices](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steam-omega-prices/155773/23): > > And i’m not complaining about CCP Yes, you are. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Norros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_norros/32/249084_2.png) [@ISD\_Norros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Norros)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/198 "2019-05-01T09:12:35Z")
Merged duplicate topic ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/199 "2019-05-01T10:37:11Z")
M Cincinnatus is right about statistics on income. If there aren’t clear definitions of what’s being reported, they’re probably inaccurate, perhaps deliberately (this can include Government statistics as well as other sources) or reported by clueless people (also very common). - Is it salary or income? “Salary” in English doesn’t cover all sources of income, and plenty of people have good incomes but no salary. This could be a translation issue, but it could easily be deliberate misdirection. - “Average” isn’t a precise term. The two common ones for income are mean and median. If income data is captured fully and accurately (more or less - it’s always affected by tax planning), the mean is usually significantly skewed upwards. The median is a much better aggregate statistic, and if it’s not used, _and specified as being used_, you need to be skeptical - A lack of precision in how standard deductions are handled (tax, compulsory medical insurance, etc) is also a bad sign - In some countries it’s relatively easy to e.g. convert income into wealth, and thereby avoid tax on it (along with other “tax planning” techniques). This reduces the _reported_ income of people who might otherwise have very high incomes - How are exceptions like non-earners (e.g. children) and recipients of transfer payments (pensions etc) handled? - … this list goes on and on. Bottom line: I haven’t seen any obviously useful statistics about Poland quoted in the thread. The numbers quoted look like they’ve been deliberately skewed upwards. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/200 "2019-05-01T13:25:47Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > You do realize most players do not visit these forums anyways, so they’re not going to see that you lost a long time ago… 🤣 I even specifically, directly quoted each person according to the timeline that they posted. And your only reply is “nope”. I guess that really just demonstrates how you have no argument. Thanks for playing. You’re right, they’re not going to see that I lost a long time ago, because I didnt. Arguments and evidence always beats opinions and one word replies, any day. Good luck on your minimum wage life, though! ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/201 "2019-05-01T13:29:04Z")
Happy cake day! 😃 Don’t think bad about Solonius, the forums made him super bitter. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/202 "2019-05-01T13:56:52Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Don’t think bad about Solonius, the forums made him super bitter. 🙂 Im pretty sure you havent been reading our discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/203 "2019-05-01T13:58:49Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Im pretty sure you havent been reading our discussions. I saw this one line … > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Good luck on your minimum wage life, though! … and knew I didn’t need to. You _having_ to reply just yet again makes it clear how bitter and disconnected you have grown. I’m not going to play with you, sorry. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/204 "2019-05-01T14:00:23Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > … and knew I didn’t need to. You _having_ to reply just yet again makes it clear how bitter and disconnected you have grown. I’m not going to play with you, sorry. 🙂 Wow, youve become really cynical, havent you. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776/205 "2019-05-01T14:12:53Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Bottom line: I haven’t seen any obviously useful statistics about Poland quoted in the thread. The numbers quoted look like they’ve been deliberately skewed upwards. I agree that average, or median income is useless in determining what income any one person receives, Youre forgetting the aspects of where this information is coming from that would make it more likely to skew it lower, than higher. The government is getting this information via their information on how much people need to pay in taxes, and almost no one wants to pay taxes, let alone more than they have to, and most people will try to find ways to under-represent or report their income as lower. Combine that with instances such as: Cash businesses will often report lower profits in order to pay less taxes. People will often do under-the-table deals with cash in order to forgo reporting the income made. Rich people will almost always find ways to avoid paying taxes, which almost always involves reporting less than what they actually made. Im probably missing a few, but all of these contribute to statistics that lower the average, instead of skewing them upwards. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-change-on-steam-monthly-price-for-omega/150776.md?page=11)