# Price of Plex - Market intervention Required from CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 10, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111 "2019-03-10T11:57:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Autocrator\_Askiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/autocrator_askiras/32/298961_2.png) [@Autocrator\_Askiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Autocrator_Askiras)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/746 "2019-04-06T09:45:13Z")
Botters or not , if a player or an alliance have trillions in the wallet the logical movement is to invest buying PLEXs, is a warranty to get profit. Only CCP knows how many PLEXs are stored in assets. ---
**Author:** ![Latista](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/latista/32/127725_2.png) [@Latista](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Latista)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/747 "2019-04-06T09:48:05Z")
Keep investing and kill the market. No worry, I sincerly hope nobody will buy those plex, problem is other big alliances are buying them. The actual alliance system is a no brain moove. Let’s change the rule and set a maximum of 500 or 750 pilotes per alliance (alliance = 5 corporation maximum), we need to change it, too many few entities (I mean over mega big alliance) got too much power. We need to equalize that. ---
**Author:** ![Autocrator\_Askiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/autocrator_askiras/32/298961_2.png) [@Autocrator\_Askiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Autocrator_Askiras)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/748 "2019-04-06T10:14:49Z")
I have just found this: > [@\[CONCLUDED\] 2019/03/28 - Live AMA With CCP Hellmar!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concluded-2019-03-28-live-ama-with-ccp-hellmar/149100/2): > > Does CCP have any data to show whether Alpha clones contribute anything to the game or the company? Since the introduction of Alpha clones with Ascension we’ve seen a lot more players dip into New Eden who are EVE curious but don’t want to commit to paying a subscription until they know what they’re getting into. Alpha clones have been great for exposing EVE to a far wider audience and giving people the chance to try it out without any commitments. More people in New Eden means more content, s… Very large post, The next part is interesting: > ## **Is there any plans to intervene in the price of PLEX?** > > There are no plans to do so that this stage, but the EVE Economic Council is watching the situation closely. If they feel there’s need to intervene, then we’ll look at how to do so. > > If you look at it at the core then it’s more the price of ISK which is falling, rather than PLEX rising. The ease of which segments of EVE Players are able to generate new ISK into the economy, often without any risk or exposure to other players interfering is the crusp of the issue IMHO. Do not know if this is already linked in this tread. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/749 "2019-04-06T10:16:42Z")
> [@Latista](#): > > Let’s change the rule and set a maximum of 500 or 750 pilotes per alliance (alliance = 5 corporation maximum), we need to change it, too many few entities (I mean over mega big alliance) got too much power. We need to equalize that. Alliances is a ccp construct as large groups already had out of game sites and utilities. What you suggest will not change the large groups. So by all means, plex victim, ask ccp so you will get angry at the large bloc out of game resources. Stop setting youself up for failure unless you do not play eve and use the forums to get attention from other humans. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/750 "2019-04-06T11:22:06Z")
Honestly… Why bother comment? ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/751 "2019-04-06T11:31:56Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > The intensity of customer feelings and wishes doesn’t change the principle. Customers who don’t pay actual money What part of plex is bought with real money dont you understand? These people may not spend their own rl money to be ingame, but that money HAS to come from somewhere; the end result is whether you plex for omega or sub - CCP get paid. In effect EVERY Omega account is a paid account… Also what? > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > doing a very poor job of providing content for paying customers at the moment, so they _ **shouldn’t** _ have much influence on CCP behavior Plexing account holders should have no sway because they dont provie content? is that what your trying to say? Do you actually play the game with other people? Don’t assume people who plex only farm, its a silly assumption to make; simple farming is not a smart way to make isk when your not playing afk and tbvh its rather boring. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/752 "2019-04-06T11:38:30Z")
FACT: I can make enough isk to plex one account easily for the month WHILST looking for solo/small gang pvp - in an enyo (100mil, perfect skills) FACT; It is damn quiet out there with player encounters often being ready to cyno ontop of you no matter what your in (See syndicate entities for the past few months, groups like init, moab, nsh and even the smaller groups trying to hotdrop caps onto anything as big as a cruiser) Or in fact being in 10+ gangs or not at all. FACT: People seem to have dropped into this habit now that structure bashes are the content eve needs, if course these would be fine if the only thing people wanted to do was join a gang and play follow the leader (which many do) but with little to no incentives for players to move around solo or in small groups rather than large this means many stay docked, and then log, forever… because who wants to wait around in a station to form for three hours or wait til thursday for a timer? A lot going wrong, I mean its geat they want an engine that will house a 10k player battle… but will anyone be around to play it? ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/753 "2019-04-06T11:43:44Z")
[Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz) I’ve heard this kind of thing fantasy once too often. It wasn’t interesting the first time, but now it’s just tedious. Subscription buyers and PLEX-for-cash buyers provide income to CCP: they are _ **paying** _ customers. Everyone else is either a prospective paying customer, part of the service that’s provided to paying customers, or a useless freeloader. Buyers of PLEX-for-ISK are one of the last two. _They are obviously not paying customers, because they do not pay CCP any real money._ And they are not doing a good job providing interesting content to others. Landlords, botters, SP farmers … they only provide entertainment for paying customers as an accidental side-effect of the farming. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/754 "2019-04-06T12:18:41Z")
PLEX costs real money. Your failure to understand that enthralls me it really does. Prey tell me, how does one acquire PLEX without someone first buying it with real cash? Also do tell me what you bring to the game, what do you do ingame that is ‘content’? \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/755 "2019-04-06T12:32:24Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Subscription buyers and PLEX-for-cash buyers provide income to CCP: they are _ **paying** _ customers. > > Everyone else is either a prospective paying customer, part of the service that’s provided to paying customers, or a useless freeloader. > > Buyers of PLEX-for-ISK are one of the last two. _They are obviously not paying customers, because they do not pay CCP any real money._ > > And they are not doing a good job providing interesting content to others You are partially correct, and partially incorrect. Plex-for-ISK buyers are not actually paying customers, this is true. They provide a service to paying customers that paying customers are willing to exchange cash for. In effect, Plex4ISK buyers are employees of CCP, trading their working hours (ISK generation) for the cash product that CCP sells (Plex). You are incorrect in that they are not doing a good job at providing services/content. They are, in fact, doing _such a good job_ at ISK generation that the value of ISK is dropping steadily, and Plex/ISK price is rising. They are also providing ‘content’ for market traders, corp recruiters, landlords, alliances who need to N+1, etc. You conflated ‘content’ with ‘entertainment’ in the last sentence. In a competitive scenario, not all ‘content’ is ‘entertainment’. However, the lack of ‘content provision’ and the profusion of ‘content-free ISK generation’ is squarely on CCP’s shoulders, not that of Alphas, Plexers, or even Omegas. Those people are making the best use of the game mechanics as designed, set up, programmed, bugfixed (or broken), and tweaked by CCP. If it ain’t workin’, you don’t go looking at the players and say “You’re playing this wrong”. You look at the designers and say “I’m sorry, but you guys don’t seem to know what you’re doing here”. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/756 "2019-04-06T13:22:11Z")
> [@Latista](#): > > who can afford to buy 11’011 plex or 1515 each time ? hate to break it to you, but I regularly place orders that large and even larger. my “normal” monthly buy orders are around 25000 plex. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/757 "2019-04-06T13:59:14Z")
Kezrai I’m so tempted to follow forum standards and flame you with a few delusional claims and some gratuitous insults for daring to disagree, even though you’re (at worst) mostly right. … but I have to go out … and anyway I wouldn’t really 🙂 I’ll replace this with a reply later today or tomorrow (CET). FWIW, I was definitely thinking mostly of entertainment. I don’t think direct ISK generation by PLEX4ISK buyers (nice compact term - I’m stealing it) is all that useful. There’s almost no credit in EVE, so CCP can easily manage the money supply. I should have considered mining and salvage though. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/758 "2019-04-06T15:35:03Z")
Just a quick update for all those caught up in the theorycrafting and less in the marketwatching: It’s entirely possible that some trigger point has been reached, and the selloff/profit taking phase before the Plex market falls too much has begun. Gentlemen, start your engines! (Edit: Forgot to mention this before… reason is, Plex is down 200,000 ISK across all regions of the game in past 2 days, sell volume is up, buy volume is down) ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/759 "2019-04-06T20:18:20Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > - After a certain point lowering price any further reduces profits and/or revenue > - After a certain point increasing rice any further reduces profits and/or revenue What you forget here is that the income of some is endless…so the price is irrelevant…those people control the market and ccp does not see this as problem as long as they buy a specific amount of plex with this endless income…the “normal” player is the one left behind… None of the super rich,nor ccp…the 99% are the loosers… ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/760 "2019-04-06T21:11:49Z")
How about: Griffers have expelled whales and now there is no one to buys PLEXs from CCP and normally that PLEX is in shortage and PLEX price rises… ---
**Author:** ![Autocrator\_Askiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/autocrator_askiras/32/298961_2.png) [@Autocrator\_Askiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Autocrator_Askiras)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/761 "2019-04-06T23:06:46Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > hate to break it to you, but I regularly place orders that large and even larger. my “normal” monthly buy orders are around 25000 plex. Would you tell us what’s the source of those 100 B isk? ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/762 "2019-04-06T23:34:34Z")
> [@Autocrator\_Askiras](#): > > Would you tell us what’s the source of those 100 B isk? i’d assume 10+ rorquals + skill farming from pilots of those rorquals. ---
**Author:** ![CowRocket\_Void](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowrocket_void/32/189525_2.png) [@CowRocket\_Void](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowRocket_Void)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/763 "2019-04-07T03:30:50Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > hate to break it to you, but I regularly place orders that large and even larger. my “normal” monthly buy orders are around 25000 plex. Hey me too!!! _high five_ ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/764 "2019-04-07T04:02:00Z")
> [@Autocrator\_Askiras](#): > > Would you tell us what’s the source of those 100 B isk? little mining, little industry, market trading, ■■■■■■■ around in abyssal deadspace, some PI, some sp farming, running moongoo reactions, making blueprint packs, drug manufacturing, market seeding. pretty much everything except missions and ratting. I have a fairly diverse income portfolio, mosty cuz I get burnout if I do any 1 thing for too long. > [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > i’d assume 10+ rorquals oh hell no, I would shoot myself if I had to mine for my income, i have 3 that i’ll bust out every couple weeks if I feel like just chilling and shooting the ■■■■ on comms, but sitting in a belt day in and day out sounds like absolute torture. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/765 "2019-04-07T06:43:24Z")
> [@Latista](#): > > Let’s change the rule and set a maximum of 500 or 750 pilotes per alliance Don’t be daft. Ever heared of coalitions? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111.md?page=38)