# Price of Plex - Market intervention Required from CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 10, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111 "2019-03-10T11:57:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1048 "2019-04-22T21:26:39Z")
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**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1049 "2019-04-22T21:26:58Z")
From my cursory overview, it seems like the other players are in pretty much the same position as yourself. I’m going to go out on a limb and assuming these people are running simple missions (Combat, Distribution, Industry, etc.) provided by NPC Agents? Or maybe these people are just idly hunting some NPCs in belts? Sorry, I don’t think I have a good grasp on what type of activities people are engaging in when they claim “casual play”. I can say that I play “casually” when I only log in to run 3 Abyssal sites in 1 hour every other day, but that ends up being more than enough ISK for me to PLEX my account. Would you be able to enlighten me on what type of activities these people are engaging in? Regarding your claim about > [@Lugburz](#): > > how does one communicate on a level that you would actually listen and take note when its not your own veiw? I would like to see some of these people admit that they may not be playing the game optimally and to take responsibility of their own gameplay before claiming that CCP needs to change the price of PLEX. Because, again, the burden is on you as the player to get better (which, as you can clearly see from the many examples of players who can play casually and still PLEX themselves, i.e. “goons”), and not on CCP to cater to your specific needs. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1050 "2019-04-22T21:27:21Z")
Just because you and the casuals can’t afford to easily plex for your gameplay fix doesn’t mean others can’t either.Newer players with the right attitude will just replace you ---
**Author:** ![Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ma_baker_mccandless/32/296015_2.png) [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ma_Baker_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1051 "2019-04-22T21:32:05Z")
Seems to be a lot of people who seem to care about “others”, though we never hear from these others that are so hard done by, or need the help. ---
**Author:** ![Latista](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/latista/32/127725_2.png) [@Latista](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Latista)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1052 "2019-04-22T22:40:19Z")
Well, I wish you good luck ! I leave eve, deleting my characters (biomas sound is pretty fun). I wish you all the best for the futur. Don’t fly safe, and reduce the plex price (probably if the plex was lower and i could spend more time playing less farming I would stay). ❤🙂❤ R.I.P. [https://zkillboard.com/character/94606268/](https://zkillboard.com/character/94606268/) and [https://zkillboard.com/character/94720095/](https://zkillboard.com/character/94720095/) who was my 2 previous toon i deleted bcse the only end game that was possible to play with big toys was joining big alliances. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1053 "2019-04-22T22:41:01Z")
I can haz your stuff? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Latista](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/latista/32/127725_2.png) [@Latista](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Latista)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1054 "2019-04-22T22:42:09Z")
Everything allready deleted. I gave everything to Bob, included my last pods. This one is joining them. Op success. It was possible to play and inject to create fast a toon, now it is not possible anymore, with a 1b injector. I started with a magnate and finished my career with a nag farming in c5. Even with that and time and risks you take, it is not worth anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Nat\_Silverguard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nat_silverguard/32/279647_2.png) [@Nat\_Silverguard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nat_Silverguard)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1055 "2019-04-23T06:39:13Z")
good riddance! o7 #nopoorsandlazypls ---
**Author:** ![Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ma_baker_mccandless/32/296015_2.png) [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ma_Baker_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1056 "2019-04-23T10:25:48Z")
Why has Learning To Play suddenly become so hard for people? ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1058 "2019-04-23T10:53:04Z")
> [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](#): > > Why has Learning To Play suddenly become so hard for people? This question is better reversed: does the difficulty of learning to play negatively influence new player retention? ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1059 "2019-04-23T11:32:07Z")
> [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > No it is perfectly legal in F2P games, but for 15$ per month today gamers expect much much more … 😝 As I said today gamer want SOMETHING for 15 $ per month they are not naive like old ones which paid 15 $ just to be content ingame … ---
**Author:** ![Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ma_baker_mccandless/32/296015_2.png) [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ma_Baker_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1060 "2019-04-23T11:44:26Z")
That’s not the same question reversed. Its really really easy to avoid a wardec. Do you believe that any game should always be changed to make there be literally no risk for rewards? Homogenisation of style is death for types of entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ma_baker_mccandless/32/296015_2.png) [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ma_Baker_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1061 "2019-04-23T11:48:12Z")
More than what? The game has already been made F2P, and if you played on hard enough mode always was. But now you want an empty, challengeless experience for your $15? That’s fun for you? ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1062 "2019-04-23T12:04:10Z")
> [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](#): > > That’s not the same question reversed. > > Its really really easy to avoid a wardec. > > Do you believe that any game should always be changed to make there be literally no risk for rewards? > > Homogenisation of style is death for types of entertainment. This is too random to be useful, but there’s one line that is on topic: the risks/rewards one. EVE is currently notable for providing a subset of players very high rewards for relatively little time playing and almost no risk. - The highest risks in EVE are taken by new players in exchange for insignificant rewards - The richer the player, the lower the risk and the higher the rewards For the vast majority of its inhabitants, playing in nullSec is much too easy. Their rewards should be reduced. A higher ISK price for ISK is one step in the right direction. Then we have the PLEX hoarders, who also make money without any significant risk. For that, I rather like the idea someone kited earlier: expiry times on PLEX. As I understand how they record PLEX on their books, it would make CCPs accountants happy too. Then all that’s left is to start actually rewarding risk-taking, and look for other areas in which the low-risk activities pay too well. ---
**Author:** ![Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ma_baker_mccandless/32/296015_2.png) [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ma_Baker_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1063 "2019-04-23T12:06:15Z")
I see hypocrisy is still strong in GD. ---
**Author:** ![Nep-Neps](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nep-neps/32/466874_2.png) [@Nep-Neps](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nep-Neps)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1064 "2019-04-23T14:55:16Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Then we have the PLEX hoarders, who also make money without any significant risk. For that, I rather like the idea someone kited earlier: expiry times on PLEX Why not just hoard your own plex? ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1065 "2019-04-23T15:06:40Z")
You have to be cash-rich or ISK-rich to hoard PLEX, and it’s hardly worth it for cash4PLEX buyers (better to hoard cash). There’s an indirect assumption built in of course: that “ISK-rich” implies more in-game income than needed, so they’re steadily getting richer, while lower-income players spend what they earn to buy stuff. But of course a low-income player whose income was higher than their desired expenditure would get the same benefits form speculation via PLEX hoarding. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1066 "2019-04-23T16:03:17Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > But of course a low-income player whose income was higher than their desired expenditure would get the same benefits form speculation via PLEX hoarding This can be solved, in a manner not unlike in real life, in two ways. First, by the player not spending beyond their means. And second, by the player finding a better source of income. A player who (1) knows that there are other activities in the game that are more lucrative, but refuses to participate in those. And in addition, (2) adamantly sticks to their low income activity, are playing the game suboptimally. Ccp should not be catering to these type of players who cannot even help themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ma_baker_mccandless/32/296015_2.png) [@Ma\_Baker\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ma_Baker_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1067 "2019-04-23T16:05:57Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Ccp should not be catering to these type of players who cannot even help themselves. Do you think then that “sub-optimal” activities should be removed from the game, or do you mean something else by “catering to”? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111/1068 "2019-04-23T16:14:20Z")
No, I don’t think they should be removed. All games have activities that scale with the intent that players eventually progress beyond them. The starting missions in the NPE give you some rewards, but they are not equivalent to the rewards you get from running a T5 Abyssal. When I say “cater to”, I mean that CCP should not be looking to buff up these low income activities to make them as lucrative as high income activities. As an example, a person running simple Level 2 Distribution missions should not be able to make as much ISK as someone running a carrier and farming Havens out in nullsec. The carrier player will easily be able to afford to purchase PLEX (at it’s current price) and still have plenty left for change. The simple mission runner will not be able to do so. I am saying that CCP should not cater to the simple mission runner by means to manipulating or adjusting the PLEX prices in game to allow the mission running player to purchase 500 PLEX with ease. It should be up to the mission running player to look at his position, note that changes needed to improve his circumstances, and then take action to do so. It should not be up to CCP to improve the mission running player’s circumstances for him (by intervening in the PLEX market). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111.md?page=51) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/price-of-plex-market-intervention-required-from-ccp/145111.md?page=53)