# Private Station Scam Attempt - How it works, how to avoid it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 25, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970 "2023-02-25T21:34:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/41 "2023-03-01T16:20:32Z")
The [EVE Support: Asset Safety](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/208289365-Asset-Safety) article doesn’t address that exact situation, but my understanding is that manual asset safety can be triggered regardless of structure status, as long as it still exists (not yet destroyed). ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/42 "2023-03-01T16:22:42Z")
Asset window can be refreshed with dock/undock with it closed, or any session change. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/43 "2023-03-01T16:57:36Z")
But there is a disclaimer message telling the data may be minutes (5?) old? I mean even 10s delay may be too much, and you still need to open the menu, and click the asset safety button … ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/44 "2023-03-01T17:06:46Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > > [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > > > Also just ignore those who post condescending replies, they’re not worth the time or hassle… > > > > Well said! > > but…I don’t really want to ignore the OP… My statement was to the OP… and I most certainly didn’t tell anybody to ignore the OP… 😒 ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/45 "2023-03-01T18:16:46Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > First, I agree it’s not a problem that scamming exists in EVE online. The problem is not “scamming”. The problem is mechanics that are so complicated and full of corner case that you need a degree just to make a correct prediction about their behavior. Example : even ISD can’t answer properly how it works. It was the same with “unaccessible stations” before they added delivery. The answer is simple : add a 2-d delay to access right, and don’t allow people to accept a contract (trade or freight) that is either - in a structure where he can’t dock, - in a structure that has an pending access change, - in a structure that is low-power The crux of the abuse is the quick-change of docking rights. Just disable this instead of adding more specific mechanics to patch-aid the bleeding ones. Also you need to delay the change to low-power so that people can’t just decide to low-power it to make it burstable on demand. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/46 "2023-03-01T19:34:14Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > The crux of the abuse is the quick-change of docking rights. Just disable this instead of adding more specific mechanics to patch-aid the bleeding ones. Docking rights? That’s not the scam here. Docking rights don’t matter, he’s just going to blow up what seems like an uncored structure, which will drop all contents as loot, to grab the victim’s injectors after the trade. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Also you need to delay the change to low-power so that people can’t just decide to low-power it to make it burstable on demand. The delay is 7-8 days. That doesn’t seem like ‘on demand’ to me, this scam requires a setup time of at least a week. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/47 "2023-03-01T19:44:56Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Docking rights don’t matter, he’s just going to blow up what seems like an uncored structure, it was for the access scam, this is just a follow-up on CCP > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > adding more specific mechanics to patch-aid the bleeding ones. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The delay is 7-8 days. That doesn’t seem like ‘on demand’ to me, this scam requires a setup time of at least a week. You’re right, you have a delay. Is it viable for structures you just anchor though ? Not sure about that. Also regarding THIS scam it’s not an effect. I was talking about the ability to accept a contract for a structure that is about to become low-powered : the effect of not being able to accept a contract in a structure that is ABOUT to become low-powered. To prevent people from spamming a contract a few minutes before the structure becomes low-power. When the structure reaches low-power, there should be a delay before the structure is actually considered as such. ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Bloggs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_bloggs/32/502338_2.png) [@Fred\_Bloggs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_Bloggs)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/48 "2023-03-02T20:22:00Z")
I think Xuxe Xu is just trying to troll. But definitely as you and someone else said, if there are people that like to die on the dumbest of hills just to troll or bait others to react, ignoring them is the best way for the trolls to die, all alone and talking to themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/49 "2023-03-02T21:22:07Z")
> [@Fred\_Bloggs](#): > > I think Xuxe Xu is just trying to troll. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/c/2c628b75e90ac28baa288c6d845df7c97521c522.gif) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/6/7/d67d7f584a63ca064d951ae543fb9f7785532e2a.gif) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/5/b/85ba15cc34f5d31ccc229de14c321e63232bc6df.gif) EDIT: " This is an automated message from EVE Online Forums to let you know that your post was hidden. > [@Private Station Scam Attempt - How it works, how to avoid it](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/49): > > [image] [image] [image] EDIT: " This is an automated message from EVE Online Forums to let you know that your post was hidden. [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/49](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/49) Your post was flagged as spam:…" Spam, eh? [image] “One or more community members flagged this post, which was then reviewed by moderators before it was hidden…” [image] [image] Your post was flagged as **spam** :…" Spam, eh? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/5/55cff0f662a27316a7684131bce39c201936a28d.jpeg) “One or more community members flagged this post, which was then reviewed by moderators before it was hidden…” ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/8/1/a816fd91caa89033ab77ab8f3cc2872d757e68f6.gif) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/b/e/4be4adf83a409fe705c99ad29814b57903a37c89.png) ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/50 "2023-03-02T22:43:29Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Wow, this one really put effort into their scam. I think more effort was put into OP’s post… He included a _ **screenshot** _ ! 🤯 ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Bloggs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_bloggs/32/502338_2.png) [@Fred\_Bloggs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_Bloggs)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/51 "2023-03-07T17:55:38Z")
Photography lessons are paying dividends! ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Bloggs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_bloggs/32/502338_2.png) [@Fred\_Bloggs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_Bloggs)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/52 "2023-05-11T00:58:02Z")
Hope this post helped some people, will bump it so others can see too =) ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Dantreb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_dantreb/32/383304_2.png) [@Lara\_Dantreb](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Dantreb)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/53 "2023-05-11T09:16:00Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > This is not new, it existed since the abandoned mechanic came into play The reason why I’d never put any valuable asset into an Upwell Structure anymore, neither use one ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/54 "2023-05-12T15:05:49Z")
> [@Lara\_Dantreb](#): > > The reason why I’d never put any valuable asset into an Upwell Structure anymore, neither use one It’s pretty safe to store your assets in Upwell structures, as long as you’re playing frequent enough to notice the structure isn’t fueled anymore. If you only play once a month or plan to take a longer break from the game, then yes, it can be smart to pull your assets out of Upwell Structures and put them into NPC stations. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/55 "2023-05-12T15:12:17Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > and talking someone into falling for the scam… Random person one has never heard of before messages to offer juicy cheap injectors…’ psst…wanna buy something that fell off the back of a lorry ?'…and invite you round to their private station to complete the deal. What could _possibly_ go wrong ! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/56 "2023-05-12T15:40:07Z")
If a player needs this to tell them when an scam is a scam, they pretty much deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Evelyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_evelyn/32/419720_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Evelyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Evelyn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2023, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/57 "2023-05-14T05:36:11Z")
I can’t believe this still works. I created this scam in 2020. Used it to get revenge on an old corp member for scamming me. Then Quantum Cores were added and it became far more versatile. It’s called the Evelyn System named after this alt, the one that pulled off the awox. [Raitaru | Prion Alliance | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85171209/) this is the killmail from the first successful scam. ---
**Author:** ![Shaktar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shaktar/32/462589_2.png) [@Shaktar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shaktar)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/58 "2023-05-14T18:31:21Z")
This is not about placing assets into an upwell structure willingly; it’s about accepting a contract without realizing where the goods you are about to purchase are stored in. It’s a switcheroo scam, and as soon as you accept the contract… puff goes the structure and “your” purchased items go back to the scammer. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/59 "2023-05-17T00:12:28Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It’s pretty safe to store your assets in Upwell structures, as long as you’re playing frequent enough to notice the structure isn’t fueled anymore. Last I heard, it was a little bit trickier than that, since the timer starts the last time it was fueled, not when the fuel runs out, meaning that the owner can add a big load of fuel and leave for a month and a half and the structure can go abandoned right away. At least that was my understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970/60 "2023-05-17T21:50:43Z")
The timer starts when the station enters low power, meaning there are no running service modules. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/private-station-scam-attempt-how-it-works-how-to-avoid-it/396970.md?page=4)