# Procurer is no longer fun to mine with - Too slow to do everything **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 9, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976 "2021-12-09T11:08:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ogariaz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ogariaz/32/265517_2.png) [@Ogariaz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ogariaz)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/21 "2021-12-13T05:48:34Z")
Thanks for your offhanded opinions but no thanks, my Procurer was multi-purpose before the “Slug” mods were released which made it a slug. I used it for ice mining too for months without issues I couldn’t warp out of. That ship that blew it up was on me in a instant, and I was watching the scope and chat, locked me up and I couldn’t warp out. got ganked by a ganker, coolbabe the ganker (solo) just came in a blew me up. Watch out for her. Low spec or not, that area only had 1 ship in the last few days blown up, she hung out there and nearby all night blowing up ships = GANKER. Not sure what you are doing here except flaming my post. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/22 "2021-12-13T05:56:23Z")
You got tackled by a battleship, lol. I don’t think an align time of 3 seconds would’ve saved you from that one, pal. It’s pretty obvious you weren’t paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/23 "2021-12-13T06:05:26Z")
> [@Ogariaz](#): > > That ship that blew it up was on me in a instant, and I was watching the scope and chat, locked me up and I couldn’t warp out. got ganked by a ganker, coolbabe the ganker (solo) just came in a blew me up. No. It’s not on you in an instant: that player is in local and has been for a while, has to find you in a belt using Dscan and at that point you can also see that BS on Dscan, then it has to warp to you which is takes pretty much eons, THEN is shows up on your grid and overview and THEN it has to decelerate to drop out of warp and THEN it has to target you which takes several weeks. Don’t get me wrong, this whole “it just suddenly happened” is normal for newbies and people who aren’t used to it but it’s not correct. You had ample time to get out if you had put in the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/24 "2021-12-13T06:34:58Z")
Go and check the killboard of this forum veteran @Aisha_Katalen You can’t there isn’t any…, so you know that this is just hot air from a forum alt. 18.21 s is a long time to warp out, I agree with you. This forum warrior would suggest something simplistic like be aligned, but I bet it has not even looked at the new asteroid fields to understand just how stupid that is. Don’t waste your breath, this forum alt is trolling you. Best advice I can give you is use a Endurance for ice and a Prospect for ore in lowsec. Good luck and do not be discouraged. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/25 "2021-12-13T06:45:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Go and check the killboard of this forum veteran @Aisha_Katalen > > You can’t there isn’t any…, so you know that this is just hot air from a forum alt. Drac, sometimes what you say makes sense, but when you’re attacking what people say _because of the character/alt they’re posting on_ rather than what they say, you’re not. Ad hominem doesn’t suit you. That forum alt correctly noticed that the Procurer fit was not ganked and was honestly one of the worst Procurer fits I’ve seen. Saying so outright may be harsh, but is not trolling. Mining aligned has always been the advice and is how I used to mine in null. Not all the time, but when I see a hostile name appear in local it’s time to align and check dscan. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/26 "2021-12-13T06:50:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > This forum warrior would suggest something simplistic like be aligned, but I bet it has not even looked at the new asteroid fields to understand just how stupid that is. I did not but nice straw man. Nice ad hominem as well. If you’re in a belt and someone enters local then you notice him and start running Dscan, if then suddenly a fcking Praxis shows up on Dscan it’s time to move or get ready to move. Before that thing actually shows up on your grid, drops warp and targeted you EVEN a crap aligning procurer can get out easily. Also, if people are that inexperienced then don’t bring a ship in to low sec in the first place. When people say “he came out of nowhere and I died in like 5 seconds” then you _know_ this is generally not the case and really just the result of a lack of effort and knowledge and also a warped perception of time due to a lack of pvp experience and sensory overload. He would have died regardless of the stats on that Proc. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/27 "2021-12-13T06:51:46Z")
Everyone please be aware that I am applying a temporary two-week block to Gerard Amatin. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/28 "2021-12-13T07:04:13Z")
The player I defended is in lowsec taking risks and was bemoaning the change in the align time of the Procurer that made him more vulnerable. I wanted to check if the player telling a risk taker this had the experience to do so, and yet I find nothing, so how good is that advice, how do we know that this person actually has this experience. We don’t, this is not an Ad hominem but a simple fact. After I made that point, the player concerned made a better post on this subject which is more useful to the Porcurer player, so job done. Still: > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > If you’re in a belt and someone enters local then you notice him and start running Dscan, if then suddenly a fcking Praxis shows up on Dscan it’s time to move or get ready to move. Before that thing actually shows up on your grid, drops warp and targeted you EVEN a crap aligning procurer can get out easily. What if the Procurer was burning to another ice roid and took 18.21 seconds to align to safety. Depending on where the Praxis lands from warp that is still a long time. And another thing this assumption that someone enters local, this Proc player was obviously using the lowsec system while people were in local, which again shows a more can do attitude. The strawman and ad hominems are not coming from me… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/29 "2021-12-13T07:06:38Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > What if the Procurer was burning to another ice roid and took 18.21 seconds to align to safety. Depending on where the Praxis lands from warp that is still a long time. And another thing this assumption that someone enters local, this Proc player was obviously using the lowsec system while people were in local, which again shows a more can do attitude. What if what if what if. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending that the proc’s align time is as it should be, it’s stupidly long. But some guy with a clown fit going into low sec and then dying to a fcking praxis going “I died due to bad stats on the proc” yeah, no. Not buying that. You shouldn’t buy that either. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/30 "2021-12-13T07:09:46Z")
If you want to give advice to new players taking real risks and having an issue with a ship change that you agree with, and credit to you for that, it is better not to trash talk them when doing so. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > a) you lost it in low sec so it wasn’t ganked > b) your lows were all overdrives, like what the actual Hell > b) the whole fit is clown: ice harvester rig but normal strip miners, a medium shield booster… And > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > You lost it because you’re uninformed and/or lazy. You would also have lost it if it had aligned in 6 seconds and had 200K EHP. This player is taking risks, I suggest he switches to an Endurance which is what I use in lowsec icefields. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/31 "2021-12-13T07:16:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > If you want to give advice to new players Moving goalposts 🙂 Still: If someone asks for help yes, I’ll still be blunt/honest about things though because facts and details can’t be explained with soft evading language. if someone makes a rant post and just spouts all kinds of nonsense, I’ll just go “you’re wrong”. If they want answers then they should ask a question, if they just want to rant I’ll reply in manner. Seems fair to me. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/32 "2021-12-13T07:35:37Z")
You found the change unreasonable, so did he. You were giving advice to a new player, what’s more you were giving advice to an Eve player going outside the comfort zone. You should do better with those types of players as they are what makes this game. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/33 "2021-12-13T07:37:50Z")
As said, changing goalposts and story now. Thanks for admitting you agree, even though you won’t admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/34 "2021-12-13T07:40:33Z")
I made the point more to Gerard Amatin why I reacted like I did. I hope you can do better if you chose to reply to a new player taking risks. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/35 "2021-12-13T07:43:58Z")
So how long does it take someone to not be a new player anymore these days? Two years? Three? Can anyone tell me? Asking for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Starfall\_Achura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starfall_achura/32/296182_2.png) [@Starfall\_Achura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Starfall_Achura)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/36 "2021-12-14T09:33:00Z")
Speed is not a good given right! ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/37 "2021-12-14T11:14:49Z")
Neither are subscribers … ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2021, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/38 "2021-12-18T08:40:25Z")
> [@Ogariaz](#): > > since they upp’d the weight and size so much it’s like a fly stuck in honey. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2021, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/39 "2021-12-18T08:43:48Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > ‘dOn’T yOu KnOw HoW lOnG iT tAkEs To MaKe A aAa GaMe?!?’ 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 Not an excuse… ---
**Author:** ![Lfod\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lfod_shi/32/376240_2.png) [@Lfod\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lfod_Shi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/procurer-is-no-longer-fun-to-mine-with-too-slow-to-do-everything/340976/40 "2021-12-18T23:12:12Z")
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