# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/382 "2022-09-07T18:50:14Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But think of the new players? The ones with skill injections that are flying freighters within a day? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/383 "2022-09-07T18:50:45Z")
Yup. When they quit, Hilmar loses quite a bit of cash. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/384 "2022-09-07T18:54:49Z")
> [@Beatlise](#): > > ## 2-4. Ban on high sec NPC station entry and tethering from structure for minus SS players (either plan A or B) > > - Plan A) Outlaw players (SS-5.0 or lower) > - Plan B) Players sanctioned by will existing navies as shown in the chart below. > ![fig-4](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/1/3/913300dbe3b8b67fa3d24e3462f8affad3563ee6.png) > > Improve the risk/reward ratio by increasing the effort of high-sec Ganker. And minus SS players will have the honor of becoming a true “outlaw, a wanted of the galaxy”. > Increased demand for clone soldier tags will encourage more players to going to low sec. Now I can see you are just a troll… I have seen that nonsense comming out the most oblivious players in EVE along years. There are bitter vets and there are bitter carebears… I would accept such nonsense if the carebears could mine only a day a month in a 1.0 systen… one day a month in a 0.9 and so on. Then they would able to mine endlessly in low sec the rest of the month. How about that? Let’s do that? I’m in for such trade off. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/385 "2022-09-07T18:59:43Z")
> [@Beatlise](#): > > ## 3-1. Number of players estimated to have lost motivation due to high-sec Gank. > > e.g.) Number of players who have been within 1 year from the date of character creation to the last login date, have not logged in for more than 1 month, have a SS higher than 0.0, and have been killed by another player in high sec at least once. Plain stupidy, how about contacting through email all of them and asking them directly? When there is an white elephant in the room you will never see it if you have your face on the floor looking for an ant and if you find then ant then you will say it’s the ant’s fault. Read the room, look around, the white elephant is around us and it’s not the gank… people leave EVE because it comes a second job. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/386 "2022-09-07T19:01:14Z")
> [@Beatlise](#): > > # ◆3. Request for data extraction No one cares about that and CCP employees have better things to do. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/387 "2022-09-08T17:41:21Z")
> [@Beatlise](#): > > Request for data extraction gank /ɡaŋk/ _verb_ INFORMAL•US gerund or present participle: **ganking** 1. 1. to defeat or kill (a less SKILLED opponent). “Aiko just ganked me” ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/388 "2022-09-12T09:45:25Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > gank > > /ɡaŋk/ > > _verb_ > > INFORMAL•US > > gerund or present participle: **ganking** > > to defeat or kill (because your life is sad). > > “Aiko aka seal clubber that can’t make it outside high sec” Fixed it for you JJ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/389 "2022-09-12T10:24:24Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Fixed it for you Why don’t people just do something as simple as check a killboard before acting all edgy? Lowsec: > **[Aiko Danuja | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2114209292/lowsec/)** > > Aiko Danuja: 17,975 ships destroyed and 1,448 ships lost. Nullsec: > **[Aiko Danuja | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2114209292/nullsec/)** > > Aiko Danuja: 17,975 ships destroyed and 1,448 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/390 "2022-09-12T12:50:04Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Fixed it for you Awww, poor baby. She ganked you bad huh? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/6/6/f66519891edf3bc78de86b21233fca1453b27609.gif) Low sec - Pirates HighSec - Gankers Null Sec - F1 Monkeys. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/391 "2022-09-12T13:35:07Z")
> [@Beatlise](#): > > ## 1-3. Forcing values on players with different gameplay styles > > Gank in high sec means interfering with the activities of a player who prefers production and PVE, which is against the morality of gameplay and amounts to harassment. > For example, if you ordered a player who wanted to enjoy PVP to ratting for 2 hours every day, or ordered him to get on a mining ship to mining moon resources, or ordered him to manage blueprints and production queues and refuel our structure, you would be tremendously harassed, right? This is just pure nonsense. The act of undocking is itself the act of consenting to _whatever_ comes your way…be it PvE or PvP. You don’t get to decide what you would ‘prefer’…and neither should you. The notion that anyone should be able to roam around all of Eve with a ’ I’m PvE-ing…you can’t attack me’ flag above them is just laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/394 "2022-09-13T08:10:54Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > no one was ganked. Oh really, then who is this then? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/3/2/f3274dda6c8be6a4e944f5e37707712c9e156ca2.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/395 "2022-09-13T08:19:59Z")
I will have to assume it is you when you figured out catalysts are actually sh\*t ships for real PvP. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/396 "2022-09-13T08:31:25Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > figured out catalysts are actually sh\*t ships for real PvP Ganking -----\> Player v Player. You want real pvp, well her it is, those mining lasers are deadly. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/0/1b004b3b49995c31a40b141efaab2584ee9ad973.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/397 "2022-09-13T08:33:33Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > do you have a man crush on a man Is this in some way signifigant? Why did you say this? Something wrong with it? Something right? Anything relevent? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/398 "2022-09-13T08:42:07Z")
A man crush on a man? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/399 "2022-09-13T08:43:42Z")
Thats what he said yeah. Like its something unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/400 "2022-09-13T08:44:25Z")
Who else would you have a man crush on? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/401 "2022-09-13T08:48:38Z")
A girl? A cow? A fine cuban cigar? A man crush is a man having a crush, at least thats what Id been led to believe? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/402 "2022-09-13T10:54:53Z")
man crush _noun_ INFORMAL 1. an intense and typically non-sexual liking or admiration felt by one man for another. “the actor confesses to having a man crush on Clooney” ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/403 "2022-09-13T11:25:46Z")
Huh I never realised uncited definitions were included in facts. These days though I should have guessed. Anyway, Im more interested by why JJ has a problem with it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=21)