# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/424 "2022-09-14T09:41:27Z")
He thinks now by writing any old string of letters it somehow changes the meaning of his original post. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/425 "2022-09-14T09:42:04Z")
Now hes typing. Shhh, ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/426 "2022-09-14T09:42:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > So, when 4 Tornadoes blap a Tristan at a gate camp, is that ‘real PvP’ ? Assuming it is low, wh, null…yes > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > When 4 Drekavacs scram and blap a Vedmak in WH space…is that ‘real PvP’ ? WH is for sure PvP > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It’s just that you making out that the use of overwhelming force makes something _not_ ‘real PvP’ would mean that _most_ of the blapping in Eve is not ‘real PvP’ No it is your engaging in a ship and no matter how you play it, you die. That isn’t PvP, that is ganking unless you have a scenario where the ganker doesn’t die, then I would have to rethink this a little. Not sure why you think that is PvP… silly really. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/427 "2022-09-14T09:47:39Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > “It’s only The Real PvP™ when I do it and win, everything else is not PvP” So you never PvP then… JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/428 "2022-09-14T09:59:05Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > True, but the point was not to prove that few noobs leave, which it doesn’t necessarily do, but to point out the large number of older players who are leaving. And they sure as hell are not leaving because someone ganked them in a Venture and then taunted them. So however one interprets it, the game is losing a lot of players around a year old…while everyone focuses on noobs. If those noobs stay but then also leave after a year…then maybe people are looking for the hemorrhaging of Eve in the wrong place. It is natural for older players to leave. The focus on noobs is because that is your next 5-10 subscription base. And it would be hard to measure it from our point of view. Accounts were created, time played, and what happened up to a point they stopped logging in. CCP has that data, and I don’t see why they would share that with us. We will have to sit here argue together, wait for China to show us the success and then it is a done deal. Or not and it stays forever. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/429 "2022-09-14T10:01:18Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > He thinks now by writing any old string of letters it somehow changes the meaning of his original post. Your input in every thread you are a part of is garbage. Do you want to try to add something to the thread? Wait, that would take creative thinking and problem-solving skills. Which are skills not all of us have, unfortunately. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/430 "2022-09-14T10:13:19Z")
I think he’s trying to communicate, but lacks the skills or knowledge to do so effectively. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/431 "2022-09-14T11:02:45Z")
I have seen you spell my name. It would help if you spelt it correctly when looking up my zKillboard. The comment was made in jest anyway, so ultimately it’s all moot. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/432 "2022-09-14T11:14:52Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Your input in every thread you are a part of is garbage Rubbish, her input is highly valued. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > It would help if you spelt it correctly She knows what she is doing > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > The comment was made in jest anyway Typical get out of jail card. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/433 "2022-09-14T12:45:08Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I mean, we can agree the cat has really good dps, but not a lot of support otherwise. If you can get in on the prey, Ya, range dictation is really important for the blaster cat. If you loose that, you’re sunk. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/434 "2022-09-14T13:20:52Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > No it is your engaging in a ship and no matter how you play it, you die. That isn’t PvP, that is ganking unless you have a scenario where the ganker doesn’t die, then I would have to rethink this a little. That’s just some silly definition you made up. Since when did the _actual_ definition of PvP include whether a person dies or not ? You remind me of a certain verse… ‘Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat and swallow a camel !’ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/435 "2022-09-14T13:28:22Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > It is natural for older players to leave. Again the usual _dishonesty_ I have come to expect from the ‘ban ganking’ crowd in their responses. Year old players are not ‘older players’. They’ve barely started the game. You just trot out whatever garbage string of words suits the moment…twisting them to your goal. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/436 "2022-09-14T13:50:13Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Typical get out of jail card. Uh, what? Do you not see air-quotes, stupid capitalization, and a silly Trademark symbol, indicating perhaps I was less-than-serious? Or is there a reading comprehension issue? > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > “It’s only The Real PvP™ when I do it and win, everything else is not PvP” In case you’re still having trouble, none of what I was saying was being directed to a “she” toon. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/437 "2022-09-16T14:38:02Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > That’s just some silly definition you made up. Since when did the _actual_ definition of PvP include whether a person dies or not ? You remind me of a certain verse… > > ‘Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat and swallow a camel !’ While I would agree sometimes, a stalemate or a draw happens. I don’t think it is the goal. Ganking fundamentally, everyone loses, and that isn’t PvP. And all definitions are made up by someone. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/438 "2022-09-16T14:39:51Z")
lol, I was simply taking a stab at you saying you always lose, thus you never PvP. I will keep my jokes more shallow from now on. Lots of love. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/442 "2022-09-16T14:52:13Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > To argue with children, you need to come to their level and act like a child Having a Tantrum? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/444 "2022-09-16T15:08:22Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I was simply taking a stab at you saying you always lose, thus you never PvP. Yeah, I got that you were taking a dig at me, did my counter-dig go “whoosh”? > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I will keep my jokes more shallow from now on. Your comment didn’t even have a hint of being remotely funny. The fact that you even felt the need to “explain” the “joke” should be a sign that the area most in need of improvement is joke-telling. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/445 "2022-09-16T15:10:13Z")
lo, it is obvious now that I pointed it out, but you didn’t understand up to this point. I propose that all suicide ganks get zero drops, only the kill. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/447 "2022-09-16T15:12:55Z")
I get it, you have a personal vendetta against me on the forums. You’re even necro-ing threads just to make that clear. I know you’re not going to believe me, but I’m not the one flagging. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/448 "2022-09-16T15:13:40Z")
Ok so Ganking Megathread being closed down. So who won in the end? Also, is this thread the new trash bin for antiganking threads? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=23)