# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/449 "2022-09-16T15:16:30Z")
Maybe you are not flagging, but it is the griefer ways I suppose. Again just point out the toxicity Suicide Gank brings to the game. And I don’t hate you or even look for you lo, you are just active most of the time, it is a statistical thing. And I feel like we have some history and you want fall off into the deepend on me. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/450 "2022-09-16T15:17:54Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Ok so Ganking Megathread being closed down. So who won in the end? Good question and I have the answers. Carebears won, all gankers please start your move ops immediately you will be expected in low, wh, null by no later than 01-OCT-2022. If there are any questions please check with your local leadership and thank you for coming to the threads. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/451 "2022-09-16T15:19:20Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Again just point out the toxicity Suicide Gank brings to the game Toxicity? What rubbish, I just like seeing you go BOOM! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/a/3/8a31ba61ba1ef298e6c67baf9d69343f7511d7ea.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/452 "2022-09-16T15:19:34Z")
Nope, still nothing. I dont know what he wants, maybe throw some scrap food but I dont really want to encourage him. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/453 "2022-09-16T15:20:34Z")
I can undock in my corvette if you like. 💘🚘 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/454 "2022-09-16T15:29:30Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I can undock in my corvette if you like Very brave of you Mr Katelo? ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/455 "2022-09-16T15:34:54Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Well that would be a change, no record of you undocking in anything. Everyone says don’t undock in something you can’t afford to lose, and I am giving you options. And now you want to fear me back into the station. We could time the Concord Response Times for the Suicide Ganking thread research purposes. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/456 "2022-09-16T15:40:08Z")
Reblancing: 1. Suicide Gank results in no drops, all is destroyed. high sec 2. Cats are cut to 4 guns hard points. high sec 3. -10 can’t use NPC stations high sec 4. -5 can’t teather in high sec 5. Alpha can’t go red in high sec JJ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/457 "2022-09-16T15:46:31Z")
I see the problem, you are graduate of EVE University. There is no hope for you I am afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/458 "2022-09-16T15:48:39Z")
It must be two of me, which I find hard to believe. But not a part of Eve Uni. Just NPC corp, but maybe one day, the plan for JJ is proving grounds in high sec once his skill is in better order. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/459 "2022-09-16T15:50:38Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Ganking fundamentally, everyone loses, and that isn’t PvP. PvP…literally ‘player vs player’. Undercutting someone’s price in the market is PvP. Going out and mining some corp’s asteroid belts that they think they ‘own’ is PvP. Half a dozen catalysts descending on a ship is definitely PvP. You can’t just leave things out of the definition just because you don’t like them. Also, things are not PvE ‘or’ PvP…some are both. Mining is PvE, but given that there is competition between players for ore it can just as well be considered PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/460 "2022-09-16T15:50:57Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > But not a part of Eve Uni ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/5/3/9537b0b989236d9a02436cc4b69e3719c3da83d5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/461 "2022-09-16T15:55:33Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > PvP…literally ‘player vs player’. Undercutting someone’s price in the market is PvP. Going out and mining some corp’s asteroid belts that they think they ‘own’ is PvP. Half a dozen catalysts descending on a ship is definitely PvP. > > You can’t just leave things out of the definition just because you don’t like them. Oh, wow, do you want to come to my station tonight and play trit wars? PvP is a player vs a player that engages in Combat and one person comes out victorious. In your scenario a half of dozen cats fly in and they all die, the baby seal dies. Everyone loses. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/462 "2022-09-16T15:57:26Z")
Nope not me, I made a point to make this guy look nothing like my other characters, and the name is no where close to my other characters. Does look similar to me, name is close, don’t know what the Katelo means maybe a real name, not sure. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/463 "2022-09-16T15:58:22Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Does look similar to me, name is close If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it is a DUCK. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/464 "2022-09-16T16:00:10Z")
True statement, but seriously I would not go through all the trouble to make a alt on the side, to make it the exact name I already have. My Eve Meta is much deeper than that. That is rookies 💩. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/465 "2022-09-16T16:01:19Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > PvP is a player vs a player that engages in Combat and one person comes out victorious. PvP means ‘player _versus_ player’…where does it mention combat ? Any situation where a player is ‘versus’ another player…which could equally include the markets…is by definition PvP. ‘Cyber war’ is _war_ even if not a single bullet gets fired or bomb dropped. It’s no different in Eve. Corporations can fight economically. That is every bit as much PvP as any use of DPS. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/466 "2022-09-16T16:04:10Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > PvP is a player vs a player PvP = Predator v Prey ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/467 "2022-09-16T16:05:36Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > PvP means ‘player _versus_ player’…where does it mention combat ? Any situation where a player is ‘versus’ another player…which could equally include the markets…is by definition PvP. > > ‘Cyber war’ is _war_ even if not a single bullet gets fired or bomb dropped. It’s no different in Eve. Corporations can fight economically. That is every bit as much PvP as any use of DPS. I mean competitive but I don’t think PvP, I think Shipwreck Jones said similar things, I don’t see it, apply for a Null corp and tell them all your PvP experience seating in a station… So you never mentioned trit wars tonight? JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/468 "2022-09-16T16:06:50Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > PvP = Predator v Prey Peaches vs Pineapples [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=24)