# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/489 "2022-09-20T08:36:35Z")
I love the role play of ganking, I don’t think the gankers like the role play or even care about it. It would awesome to have gankers part of pirate factions only, and they live in Null and come through wormholes and harrass high sec randomly. There would need to be some mechanic changes i.e. they get worm holes that have lets say the mass of 4 cats for 1.0-0.9 as an example. Gankers lose their ability to dock in high and player stations would still be open if they wanted to permit that just like a real pirate. High sec players would need to scan down WH in their system to get the intel if gankers are coming or not. I could go on and on, but I would 100% support that. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/490 "2022-09-20T08:40:19Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you trully think lowsec is in need of population, then get as many there as possible. > > But, you were lying of course. You don’t give a rats arse about whether lowesec needs population. Low sec does need people for sure, and I don’t live in low so I am not yah or nah, I think it is apart of the eco system we are all apart of and if one place is suffering, we all feel that. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You just want less population of a particular playstyle in highsec that you don’t like so it can become a botting and AFK playground. A place for lazy, incompetent players to thrive and suck the remaining life out of the game. > > Nothing but a typical liar like most of the whiners that come here. Sounds like you would fit in perfectly here. And I don’t need your tears and crying please, go hug a ganker for me okay. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > “Think of the new players”, “think of lowsec”, etc. - the reality is you are just thinking about yourself and screw the health of the game. > > The sooner you piss off, the better for everyone. I am here for the betterment of the game, Gankers are killing the game. I am not going anywhere, so you are better off moving along back to mommy okay big guy. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/491 "2022-09-20T08:43:03Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I am here for the betterment of the game ■■■■■■■■. You are here only for your benefit, like all the whiners before you. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/492 "2022-09-20T08:45:41Z")
Scipio Artelius, keep it together, I don’t know why you are so angry. Ganking is a dying game play, CCP is going to remove it, the game will have a great growth after that happens and that is better for everyone here. I know you and your friends struggle in life, seal clubbing is the only satisfaction you get and it is sad. I can help get you on the right track though, here for you. Lots of love JJ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/493 "2022-09-20T08:49:28Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Scipio Artelius, keep it together, I don’t know why you are so angry. I’m angry because there’s been enough lowlifes like you crying for changes that do nothing but hurt the game by a thousand cuts. The game isn’t where it is as a result of CCP making great decisions. We are hear because of all the crap ones, led by a chorus of idiots that only think of themselves, rather than think of everyone as equal. As someone that loves the game, I have every right to be angry when the next wanker comes along to destroy the game further. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/494 "2022-09-20T08:56:09Z")
And how exactly does getting rid of ganking from a couple of thousand systems out of almost eight thousand systems run the game into the ground? Pushing ganking out (not all PVP) just ganking out of high sec would be a massive boost to the game. I love the game, I want the game to be successful, I have invested thousands over the years, and I would hate to see all that go to waste. So no, I don’t want to ruin the game; I am more than happy to go back and forth on reasonable or bad ideas. But not here to do anything on purpose for some medal that doesn’t exist. I gain nothing by making the game worse; I play almost daily and still enjoy it. So calm down ganker as the community would put it, it sounds like we have the same interest, just different thoughts on how to get there. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/495 "2022-09-20T08:59:11Z")
Its actually really cringe when old people like me and JJ talk street, yo ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/496 "2022-09-20T09:05:21Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > And how exactly does getting rid of ganking from a couple of thousand systems out of almost eight thousand systems run the game into the ground? Two things: 1. It turns highsec into a botting and AFK central hub 2. It treats a playstyle that you don’t personally like as a second class citizen. They somehow don’t deserve their playstyle (despite CCP saying they do). Not everyone wants to do other playstyles, just in the same way as forcing miners or haulers our of highsec would treat them as lesser of a player and not all of them want to do other things. Forcing people out of valid playstyles by removing the playstyle all together hasn’t done anything but lead to lower numbers in the game. One of the great things about EVE is that there are playstyles to suit many different people. It’s what leads to the tensions that exist in the game, because some of those playstyles are in competition to each other. Removing playstyles doesn’t make the game stronger. It only weakens it and gives the competing playtyle (ie. bots and AFK players) more room to grow. Bots and AFK play isn’t great for the game. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Pushing ganking out (not all PVP) just ganking out of high sec would be a massive boost to the game. ■■■■■■■■ again. No one needs to be war eligible. No one needs to accept duels. No one needs to go suspect and be subject to any pvp risk. Highsec would just become a haven for even more bots and AFK players. Screw that. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I have invested thousands over the years, and I would hate to see all that go to waste. Again, only thinking of yourself. Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/497 "2022-09-20T09:18:38Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > 1. It turns highsec into a botting and AFK central hub No that is called null where this is a huge problem. You know where it is safer than high sec to live…yeah that place. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > - It treats a playstyle that you don’t personally like as a second class citizen. They somehow don’t deserve their playstyle (despite CCP saying they do). Not everyone wants to do other playstyles, just in the same way as forcing miners or haulers our of highsec would treat them as lesser of a player and not all of them want to do other things. Forcing people out of valid playstyles by removing the playstyle all together hasn’t done anything but lead to lower numbers in the game. No not getting rid of any playstyle, moving it to low and below. And gankers are forcing their playstyle on players every single time they take on the act. So you are okay with that right? To balance this, gankers move to low and below and if other roles like miners or haulers want to be exposed to that gameplay they can go to low to get that. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Removing playstyles doesn’t make the game stronger. It only weakens it and gives the competing playtyle (ie. bots and AFK players) more room to grow. Bots and AFK play isn’t great for the game. Again nothing being removed, just putting all you great acclaimed PvP to a PvP area to see how good those alpha skills are. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > ■■■■■■■■ again. > > No one needs to be war eligible. No one needs to accept duels. No one needs to go suspect and be subject to any pvp risk. > > Highsec would just become a haven for even more bots and AFK players. Screw that. No botting in high is not any better or worse than null or wh where there is much less people to watch the space and it is in a lot of cases much safer. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Again, only thinking of yourself. Of course. I am drowning in your tears. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/498 "2022-09-20T09:20:56Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I am drowning in your tears. That’s nice dear. You can go choke on them for all I care. If you think I’ll just idly sit by and watch idiots destroy the game, that isn’t going to happen. You are a good example of the type of whining that is behind the rot that the game is in. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > No botting in high is not any better or worse than null or wh where there is much less people to watch the space and it is in a lot of cases much safer. Now it isn’t and it is bad everywhere it exists, including behind intel channels in null. We do our best to clear them out and report them, but that’s a never ending issue. We certainly don’t want a game that allows for it even more. If you can’t fathom that this is about a future state where you get your way, then really you are beyond an idiot, to whatever is dumber than that. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/499 "2022-09-20T09:40:31Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That’s nice dear. You can go choke on them for all I care. > > If you think I’ll just idly sit by and watch idiots destroy the game, that isn’t going to happen. You are a good example of the type of whining that is behind the rot that the game is in. No Scipio, moving ganking out of high sec doesn’t do anything to the game. It is already on the Chinese server as you know. It isn’t some concept that is unheard of, and it will be fresh for the game to have a map change and rule change. There is so much PvP area in the game, there would be no shortage of space for people to go and take part in what I think is some of the more exciting parts of the game. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Now it isn’t and it is bad everywhere it exists, including behind intel channels in null. We do our best to clear them out and report them, but that’s a never ending issue. > > We certainly don’t want a game that allows for it even more. Agree botting is bad and it does drive things in the wrong direction > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you can’t fathom that this is about a future state where you get your way, then really you are beyond an idiot, to whatever is dumber than that. I can fathom it, I think it would help with the game, but I do see where it could create some bad characters. Would you be up for a gank in high sec that doesn’t drop anything? Testing the waters here since you think I am to destroy the game I play daily. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/500 "2022-09-20T09:47:32Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Yeah brah, you gotta get woke on this game yeah brah. Why you so confuzzy on the dap I am giving you brah? You not like down with the flow of my energy here brah? > > Good talk brah… keep it high brah. Oof. So haole you don’t even know you’re haole. Imagine confusing a vidya game and real life like this 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I don’t think the gankers like the role play or even care about it. Lies LOL. Aiko RPs all the time bruv. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Gankers lose their ability to dock in high and player stations would still be open if they wanted to permit that just like a real pirate. High sec players would need to scan down WH in their system to get the intel if gankers are coming or not. As long as positive sec people lose their ability to dock in low 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I am here for the betterment of the game No, you are not LOL. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I know you and your friends struggle in life, seal clubbing is the only satisfaction you get and it is sad. I can help get you on the right track though, here for you. Why would people good at a PvP vidya game struggle in real life? How does it correlate? > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > As someone that loves the game, I have every right to be angry when the next wanker comes along to destroy the game further. So true. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > And how exactly does getting rid of ganking from a couple of thousand systems out of almost eight thousand systems run the game into the ground? This here exposes your lack of MMO knowledge 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Pushing ganking out (not all PVP) just ganking out of high sec would be a massive boost to the game. Mm not really. The opposite. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > I love the game, I want the game to be successful, I have invested thousands over the years, and I would hate to see all that go to waste. You don’t tho. Because you don’t understand the game you chose to play. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Highsec would just become a haven for even more bots and AFK players. Screw that. True story. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > No that is called null where this is a huge problem. You know where it is safer than high sec to live…yeah that place. ROFL. Exactly. And high will turn into that as well. With low being a ghost town. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > And gankers are forcing their playstyle on players every single time they take on the act. They aren’t actually. People agree to it once they undock 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > So you are okay with that right? Yes. We live in an open PvP world where you consent as soon as you undock. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > miners or haulers want to be exposed to that gameplay they can go to low to get that. ROFL. They will literally never go there. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Again nothing being removed, just putting all you great acclaimed PvP to a PvP area to see how good those alpha skills are. Heh, this paragraph exposes your bitterness 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > There is so much PvP area in the game, LOL this exposes how much you don’t play. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/501 "2022-09-20T09:47:50Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > There is so much PvP area in the game, there would be no shortage of space for people to go and take part in what I think is some of the more exciting parts of the game. Ah ok, so again more lies when you wrote: > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Pushing ganking out (not all PVP) So now you do want to get rid of all pvp from highsec. Can’t even keep a straight story you are so wrapped up in BS. Can you show me any results from the implementation in China? How has it worked out? Has highsec suddenly become a thriving metropolis of healthy gaming? Any result at all? EDIT: There’s only one other character in the forum that addresses by first name and has this sort of phrasing. It would be no surprise at all if you are also that twit. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/502 "2022-09-20T09:58:04Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Ah ok, so again more lies when you wrote: I guess we all have opinions. But I mean if you look at high system compared to all other systems in the game, it is literally fact there would be more PvP area than none, but hey Scipio seems to the smart one here. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > So now you do want to get rid of all pvp from highsec. Nope, just ganking, I think I made that pretty clear if you can read the forums correctly, it would be appreciated. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Can’t even keep a straight story you are so wrapped up in BS. Salts for sale, get your salts; having a sale today overstock of Scipio salts for sale. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Can you show me any results from the implementation in China? How has it worked out? Has highsec suddenly become a thriving metropolis of healthy gaming? It is only on their test server, that map I won’t lie looks awesome to me. [https://lr.mint.lgbt/r/Eve/comments/w0rmog/eve\_new\_dawn\_map\_testing\_on\_chinese\_server/](https://lr.mint.lgbt/r/Eve/comments/w0rmog/eve_new_dawn_map_testing_on_chinese_server/) just discussion about it. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/CZHhWBC) here is what the map looks like. Tell me that doesn’t look interesting. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > EDIT: There’s only one other character in the forum that addresses by first name and has this sort of phrasing. It would be no surprise at all if you are also that twit. And sorry to disappoint, made this alt just for the threads I don’t have any known friends here in the forums, other than the people I have interacted with here. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/503 "2022-09-20T10:00:37Z")
Gix have you met Etch? I think you two would get along really well. Let me know if you want a introduction. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/505 "2022-09-20T10:06:53Z")
Wait. So Null is really safe, ok, and its safe to the point that botters etc are happy to roam under an umbrella. But if HS had ganking removed, wouldnt it be safer by definition? Wait If NS is already gank-free, why not move there instead of asking for HS to be changed? I mean, it would be a lot quicker than asking CCP to do something, wouldnt it? ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/507 "2022-09-20T10:38:39Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Of course. How stupid do you have to be to think that is what was being referred to when you can’t keep your story straight. Truly on the twit level. Scipio so you are not confused anymore? Hey can I have my calculator back by the way, you should be done with it, what is 80087322… mysterious man you are. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Yes. So you have no data one way or the other that this will actually be good for the game, but are advocating for it here. > > Totally and completely premature to be pushing adoption of those potential changes for TQ. > > Also, we aren’t discussing maps here idiot. We are discussing pvp and whether all playstyles add to the game and removal of playstyles is bad for the game. > > So far, no data supporting it improving the game, but plenty of data of reductions in the depth and breadth of the game causing players to leave. I like something new, and I am so dumb for that. Have you ever saw a trailer to a movie and thought wow I beat I will like that… ISD do not worry about my buddy Scipio name calling here, I am fine with it, we are going to be best friends before it is all over with. 💘🤗 🧸you are so cute when mad. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Also, we aren’t discussing maps here idiot. We are discussing pvp and whether all playstyles add to the game and removal of playstyles is bad for the game. Map is pretty cool though right? I mean did you look at it after I went and got the link for you? If you did you would be as excited as I am that is might be a possibility. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No known friends I can believe, but you certainly have mannerisms similar to another idiot that is a regular here. Oh someone getting hangry. Let’s have lunch and come back here, or do you want to attack the alt liability as good old lo does? You want to school someone on manners? Well if that isn’t the joke of the day I don’t know what is. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > I don’t mind you thinking that, but it isn’t something I’d ever suggest. I just put my point of view like everyone, including you; and we all have a right to. > > I’ll call an idiot an idiot though, a liar a liar and a twit a twit. You are all three. Such a strong noble man you are, wow just really a beacon of light and direction for the community. Can you help me carry all these bags of salt, I was giving it away for free today I am producing so much. Have you heard the news today, new salt mine found it is called The Scipio mine is one of the biggest known in the Universe. Like the rest in here, you don’t have ideas, you rarely have complete thoughts. You don’t know how to argue, you don’t know how to think and formulate thoughts. You only have a short game, you don’t know what the prize even is. You will always be two steps behind, you will always be a F1 monkey, you will never be on my level, and you will always hate me for that. And that is why you need seal clubbing…let that sink in. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/508 "2022-09-20T10:44:04Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Gix have you met Etch? I think you two would get along really well. Let me know if you want a introduction. LOL he’s a better man than you 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It is clearly the case though that the fact that CCP allows griefing in the form of ganking LOL you keep pushing this lie. Its wild 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Calling me a twit is a bit rude. But no, I’m not that guy. Yes, we know you hide behind alts 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Like the rest in here, you don’t have ideas, you rarely have complete thoughts. You don’t know how to argue, you don’t know how to think and formulate thoughts. You only have a short game, you don’t know what the prize even is. You will always be two steps behind, you will always be a F1 monkey, you will never be on my level, and you will always hate me for that. LOL imagine your self worth being tied so much to a vidya game 😃 I feel for you bro. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/509 "2022-09-20T10:56:08Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s all well and good if you like lowsec but in reality all it would likely leed to is an even faster decline in player numbers. I agree. It was just posted to show the lie behind the excuse used to justify removing ganking from the game. If someone truly believed that lowsec needs more people, then adding more people of all playstyles should be a welcome approach to them. Of course though, the next post he demonstrated that he wasn’t at all interested in the numbers in lowsec, only in removing a playstyle from the game. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Have you got any actual evidence that any changes he’s called for So far, no change he has called for has been implemented that I’m aware of. I hope it stays that way. However, there are certainly plenty of examples of changes implemented by CCP as a result of community whines that resulted in fewer players in the game. For example, I was certainly all for a blackout style change to the game before it was implemented. That was a disaster for numbers in the game. There are many, many more examples since late 2013 and that have contributed to the decline in the size of the playerbase. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It is clearly the case though that the fact that CCP allows griefing in the form of ganking puts off potential new players and according to CCP increases new player churn. Remove it. That isn’t removal of all ganking. Hopefully CCP addresses what they see as griefing now and if it improves the game then great. If it doesn’t, then I’d hope, like with blackout, they quickly reverse their view on what griefing is. Removing griefing is a far cry from removing all ganking, which CCP have clearly said they aren’t interested in doing, but what is being called for. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It already is. The claim that ganking has any impact AT ALL on botting and AFK play is - and has always been - nonsense. If anything you are vastly more likely to be ganked as a solo miner without fleet support than as a bot or mostly AFK miner in a fleet. Remove ganking all together from highsec and there’s no need to be in a fleet for protection. Just bot mine solo no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/510 "2022-09-20T11:04:47Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Remove ganking all together from highsec and there’s no need to be in a fleet for protection. Just bot mine solo no problem. Actually Lucas has already revealed himself. He knows ending ganking will end EVE. He’s said himself he can’t quit until the servers stop. Apparently he has weak self control 😃 So yes, he’s attempting to end EVE so he can finally quit because he doesn’t have the will power. Can you imagine? LOL. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=26)