# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/511 "2022-09-20T11:09:14Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > he doesn’t have the will power. I can’t dislike anyone for that. There isn’t another game the same as EVE, so if someone gets even a bitter-vet type of enjoyment in their entertainment/spare time from it, no wonder they might be reluctant to voluntarily quit. In relation to Lucas, I don’t believe he lacks will power though. He might be a lot of things, but immature/addicted/lacking power doesn’t strike me as one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/512 "2022-09-20T11:09:38Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL he’s a better man than you 😃 Brah you know he a man brah…that is swag brah you have intell like the CieEyeAya. You wankers spilling the tea together, right on right on cool brah on fleek. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL imagine your self worth being tied so much to a vidya game 😃 > > I feel for you bro. Thanks for much love brah, you know I am quiche in here and a lot of these folks are sus. Eve keeps it together for me in the ratchet life brah, you know that, this channel is lit and I wanted to throw a humble brag out but you dash in and mess up my plans. Lots of hugs until next time. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/513 "2022-09-20T11:13:19Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > In relation to Lucas, I don’t believe he lacks will power though. He might be a lot of things, but immature/addicted/lacking power doesn’t strike me as one of them. Mmm I dunno about that. He’s so desperate he’s attempting to gut the game because he can’t bring himself to quit. That screams weakness to me 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Brah you know he a man brah…that is swag brah you have intell like the CieEyeAya. You wankers spilling the tea together, right on right on cool brah on fleek. You do know brah isn’t actually current slang right? Brah rose from the plantation days in Hawaii, and is part of actual language. It was then appropriated by others. Brah isn’t Gen Z 😃 Brah was being said a 100 years ago. Let’s not front like you actually talk pidgin 😃 > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > sus It’s giving I’m a boomer and trying to speak in the slang of the day 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/514 "2022-09-20T11:19:36Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You do know brah isn’t actually current slang right? Brah rose from the plantation days in Hawaii, and is part of actual language. It was then appropriated by others. Brah isn’t Gen Z 😃 Brah was being said a 100 years ago. > > Let’s not front like you actually talk pidgin 😃 Well if that doesn’t take the wind out of my sails I don’t know what will. Maybe I need more Scipio insults to boost me up a little. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It’s giving I’m a boomer and trying to speak in the slang of the day 😃 I thought I did pretty well, with the gen z talk, you know I am a chameleon always adapting to my surroundings. Don’t be jelly because you don’t have these skills GIx. On topic did you check out that map I left for Scipio? It is cool I am telling you. Let me know what you think, as I believe that type of rebalancing will be all we need. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/516 "2022-09-20T11:21:57Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Maybe I need more Scipio insults to boost me up a little. Disrespect comes where disrespect is earned. Maybe don’t lie about intentions and replies lacking in respect won’t follow. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/517 "2022-09-20T11:24:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And it’s totally fine for people to call for that. I genuinely think that the removal of ganking would have an immediate positive effect, Yep its fine to call for it and in your case for example, you don’t hide behind lies as to the reason. Complete respect for being open and honest, no matter what the position. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/518 "2022-09-20T11:37:09Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Disrespect comes where disrespect is earned. Maybe don’t lie about intentions and replies lacking in respect won’t follow. Scipio, No one is scared of you, you are not walking in the room and demanding some level of respect that should be given to you. You are just another sad individual trying to find that outlet in life, and unfortunately, it has fallen on baby seals in a game called Eve Online. So before you try to bully someone else out of the thread, just know we all know you are empty and no one respects that. If didn’t look at the threads I sent you, you don’t care to have a open mind, you are a propaganda machine, and you suck at it. That map is really cool though you should completely go take a look. It will be love at first site I am telling you. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/519 "2022-09-20T11:39:21Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > No one is scared of you I would hope not. I’m just a guy in the forum. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > you are not walking in the room and demanding some level of respect that should be given to you No, no one demands respect. That wouldn’t work if you tried to demand it. There certainly is none though after the BS you’ve been going on about. > [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > So before you try to bully someone else out of the thread Who have I bullied out of the thread? ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/520 "2022-09-20T11:48:15Z")
Finally in agreement, I knew it would work itself out with a little time. And make sure to check that map out, I know you have doubts but telling you very neat idea. The rest of the changes on the Chinese server I can go either way with it, but that map, is almost a must for me. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/521 "2022-09-20T11:55:35Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > How’s the universe’s rationale actually going to be carried forward so it’s only _your changes you like_ to sec status and none of these ramifications. That’s the thing all the people who want changes constantly fail to see. Eve is a complex, interconnected, universe. Even the smallest change has unforeseen consequences beyond any original intentions. All the talk of ‘rebalancing’ fails to take into account that to balance one aspect means unbalancing another. To give just one small example…the proposal some make of preventing red or yellow status in highsec. That would either prevent anyone from stealing loot from a wardeced attacked station, or prevent anyone proactively preventing them. So a change ostensibly designed to affect ganking also affects other play styles. And one could cite many other examples. ( My God…once again Lucas is already typing away literally within seconds of me posting this ) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/523 "2022-09-20T12:04:28Z")
No…I don’t see _any_ reason at all for CCP to change Eve merely because one obsessed individual cannot go more than 0.001 seconds without posting on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/524 "2022-09-20T12:10:17Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Finally in agreement, Nope and you are just spitting more lies. Situation normal. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/526 "2022-09-20T14:23:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So the solution is what The solution is that I never agreed there was a problem in the first place to ‘solve’. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s extra amusing considering you support SP extraction and P2W microtransactions and they’ve had massive impacts on the game. Off-topic red herring. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Noone is suggesting CCP make changes based on one individual, but then clearly there’s far more than one individual that wants ganking heavily rebalanced or removed, particularly if you venture further than this forum. Ah yes…your sheer pretence that you care _sooo_ much about noobs, then we discovered that you yourself ganked and smack talked noob players. I’m surprised you haven’t yet crawled away into a corner in embarrassment…but I live in hope ! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/528 "2022-09-20T15:33:35Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So then why are you here? To defend a great game against obsessive fools and their pretence of actually giving a damn. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/530 "2022-09-20T16:15:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think that most of the issues come from ganking of smaller, non-profitable ships. If it were limited to haulers for example I’d see that as a reasonable balance. Yep, make the gankers ungankable. “Great” idea. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/531 "2022-09-20T16:25:53Z")
@Jesse_W_James and @Lucas_Kell Here is what you idiots do not understand… There is players similar to me… In the fact that I actually do have 156 accounts almost all with 3 characters on them… 3 computers and 6 monitors… 98% of those accounts are alpha…but i have enough plex to sub them all up at once without spending a dime of RL cash. Without ganking in HS, I could grief anyone that wanted to try and mine against me…and if you think some Nullseccrs would not come to HS for the same reason, perfect safety and all that…or botters and such…then you both are really really stupid. SO thinking of new players…I and vets like Scipio are thinking of them and the overall health of the game…where you two are being total bell ends. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/533 "2022-09-20T16:40:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Seems more like you’ve just been handed a narrative by a particular group of bittervets and you’re defending that narrative The notion that I’m in cahoots with the gankers is just pure nonsense. There is no group mindset on the matter. There’s no Ganker Illuminati. A lot of the ganker groups are rivals with each other and there’s no love lost between them. People like me spend some of our time providing intel _against_ the gankers. I even provide ISK to some gankees…as I have billions of ISK sitting around doing nothing. The _only_ thing all these groups have in common is a recognition that ganking is _essential_ for highsec. Even AG groups like NEPF accept that. Ganking is _content_…something you singularly fail to grasp. Your conspiracy theory is just that…a load of conspiratorial nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/535 "2022-09-20T16:59:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > such as delayed ice belt spawning again you are an idiot, this did not happen…the actual mechanic you are trying to refer to was that Ice belts spawned almost immediately to different System/constellation in the game…meaning sometimes you didnt get 1 in your area for days or sometimes weeks cause some Losec system or nullsec system had 10,12, or 15 spawned in them. Please stop ship toasting ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/536 "2022-09-20T17:06:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gankers are usually flash red meaning you don’t need to gank them. I’d be totally fine with them being safe if they grind their standings back up though, and it’s already a EULA violation to biomass and recreate gank alts. You entirely missed the point. And the EULA says nothing about ganking, nor does it forbid to biomass for simple ganking. Only in your dreams… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/537 "2022-09-20T17:10:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Any minor issues that did occur CCP could easily tackle by tweaking the balance toggles they’ve already put in place as part of scarcity, such as delayed ice belt spawning (if an ice belt in highsec gets mined out too quickly the respawn timer grows). You really haven’t thought this out _at all_. Look…here are some of the unforeseen consequences… With a totally safe highsec, there will be even more Procurers, Mackinaws, etc ( you know…the sort of ships you agree miners have to wait weeks to get into ) wiping the belts clean. Those ships ( and not Ventures ) are actually the _main_ mining ships gankers gank. With no barges being ganked, the asteroid belts will be wiped clean before all the noob Ventures have a chance to get any ore. In fact that is what _already_ happens in my relatively safe corp HQ system. By the time I get my Venture out to do a bit of mining…there is no ore left ! You are not doing noobs a favour at all. Every barge ganked is actually more chance for the noob Venture to get some ore. See…your ideas have _consequences_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=27)