# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/731 "2022-09-22T14:11:57Z")
> [@MacGybo](#): > > Ganking is just fine. It works perfectly. There’s no need for rebalancing or tweaks or buffs. It is doing exactly what it’s meant to do on a philosophical and also on a game design level. I myself went from being anti ganking to realising ( when I had more game experience ) just how _boring_ highsec would be without ganking. The very first videos I watched on ganking were some of your own, and I found them fascinating. Undocking from Jita with expensive cargo, or even just with a new ship of value, is always a nerve wracking experience. And it should be ! If the anti gankers ever got their way I’d be able to undock from Jita in a totally un-tanked ship and fly all the way to Amarr with zero risk or danger…and what would be the fun in that ! Keep on providing great content. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/732 "2022-09-22T14:22:15Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > How can you be so much of an idiot that you can quote CCP defining a new player as “30 days old or less” and then _still_ go on to claim that CCPs definition is based on what systems a player visits. That defines how long the protection of rookie systems lasts. So a year old player can’t hide in a rookie system and call safe. Also a reminder that you said you never attack the person instead of the argument because you called it “an in-effective debate technique”. At this point you are just willfully ignoring the facts. I’ll accept that you might not have been admitting to griefing new players by CCPs defenition when you said… Continuing the discussion from [Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8482): > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8482): > > > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8474): > > > > Did I read that right @Lucas_Kell that you took part in griefing new players? > > > > That is not cool. That has never been ok. > > To some extent that current gankers still actively grief new players, yes I did. … because you had an erroneous defenition of new players. However you still griefed them by your own defenition. Still not a misrepresentation as we were labouring under the impression that seeing as you were fighting so hard to protect these new players you atleast new what a new player was! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/733 "2022-09-22T14:23:48Z")
> [@MacGybo](#): > > Don’t suggest that things need to change unless you can establish what’s wrong with the current state of play, or why it can’t be addressed within the current mechanics. > > How’s that? I would amend that to also state that people should not suggest changes without also considering the _consequences_ of those changes. It is impossible to ‘fix’ one aspect of the game without screwing up other dynamics, and the problem is that all too often changes are suggested where people haven’t really thought out the full implications. When people suggest ( for example ) that only green status be allowed in highsec, they fail to grasp the full knock on effects of that to a whole range of other playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/734 "2022-09-22T14:25:21Z")
Define consider. Someone could consider something for five seconds or five days. Ultimately by suggesting it you are opening up to the critique of others and any daftness will come out in the wash. ---
**Author:** ![MacGybo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/macgybo/32/409494_2.png) [@MacGybo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MacGybo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/736 "2022-09-22T14:31:07Z")
> [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > Define consider. Someone could consider something for five seconds or five days. Ultimately by suggesting it you are opening up to the critique of others and any daftness will come out in the wash. You are extremely silly. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/737 "2022-09-22T14:41:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, it defines what a new player is. If that is what a new player is then you’ve griefed by CCPs and your own defenition. However I suggest you go and actually read the support page. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You are accusing me of saying something I didn’t say > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8482): > > > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8474): > > > > Did I read that right @Lucas_Kell that you took part in griefing new players? > > > > That is not cool. That has never been ok. > > To some extent that current gankers still actively grief new players, yes I did. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So at this point you’re not engaged in a debate, you are engaged in a misinformation campaign, so gloves are off bud. I’ve backed up everything I’ve said with quotes and directed you to the CCP resources where you can find the defenition apparently everyone but you had for new player. It’s not on us to know if you have and use some super secret Lukas only defenition of new player and that you reject the CCP given defenition of new player. I said I accept given your recent acknowledgement that you don’t know what a new player is according to CCP terms you might not have been admitting what you thought you admitted, however… > [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > -the loudest nerf ganking voice openly admitted to griefing new players himself and was a ganker in the past the attestation here was that the loudest voice in nerf ganking griefed new players which I’ve shown you admitting to. Hell I didn’t use your name, you are the one that held up that hand and claimed to be that voice and that it wasn’t true causing me to have to fetch your quote. If all you are going to do is respond with “but no I didn’t” in the face of this evidence then I have nothing else to say because you are either being obtuse or delusional at this point. So enjoy your last words on the subject, everyone else can read the quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/738 "2022-09-22T14:43:47Z")
> [@MacGybo](#): > > You are extremely silly. How so? Why do you think we have the phrase ‘ill considered’. Better to get the ideas out on the table and if you’ve not got a mind for thinking things through someone else probably will. ---
**Author:** ![Brucifer\_Morningstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucifer_morningstar/32/334759_2.png) [@Brucifer\_Morningstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brucifer_Morningstar)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/739 "2022-09-22T14:56:39Z")
I want hear your wildest dreams about interesting changes to ganking. Not for the purpose of fine tuning what we have but ideas for content of the future, Eve Forever! As a ganker, can i get your feedback in a few ideas for expanding ganking i had, [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-ganked-and-why-ganking-is-a-problem/377821](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-ganked-and-why-ganking-is-a-problem/377821) ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/740 "2022-09-22T14:59:00Z")
Your thread is closed I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Brucifer\_Morningstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucifer_morningstar/32/334759_2.png) [@Brucifer\_Morningstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brucifer_Morningstar)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/741 "2022-09-22T15:08:46Z")
im new to posting here, do i need to repost it, or what does it being closed mean to others seeing it? i guess it got moved. Does this link work? > [@Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/679): > > “Commandment 10, let’s all have fun and play together!” -Tet, God of Games Preface: This isn’t about how the game is, or what you should do, its about a reimagining of that the game could be, any assertions of how things are in Eve is based on my subjective opinion. Inspired by [How To Avoid Le Gank And Why Ganking Isn’t A Problem](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-avoid-le-gank-and-why-ganking-isnt-a-problem/377521) Fun facts about ganking: 1 99% of the gank experience is not the actual combat 2 the majority of ganks last under 5sec 3 nearly all gankers have plans for suicide,… ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/742 "2022-09-22T15:10:43Z")
That thread is still open. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/743 "2022-09-22T15:13:02Z")
If you check at the end of your original thread there is a notice that the thread was merged into an existing one by a moderator. ---
**Author:** ![MacGybo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/macgybo/32/409494_2.png) [@MacGybo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MacGybo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/744 "2022-09-22T15:33:08Z")
Don’t post in the forums, they said. It won’t turn out well. You won’t get the discussion you want. People will just argue the same arguments in circles, they warned me. They’ll hijack your thread for their own agenda. But I didn’t listen. So now I sit, chastened. Shocked. Bulldozed. Broken. I’m in the dark, fearing what light will reveal. I have regrets. I have learned lessons. Lessons about listening to those who had my best interests at heart. I’m sorry I didn’t heed your words. But I will. I promise I will. I will leave the forums and not return. I know this now. And as I leave, I shall utter but a few quiet, informed, reflective words. Words from the heart. I am a ganker and I am proud. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/745 "2022-09-22T15:37:24Z")
You quit so easy? 😛 😏 😈 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/746 "2022-09-22T15:38:24Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, it can be avoided, but avoidance isn’t counterplay That has to be one of the silliest statements I have _ever_ seen in Eve forums, and one you keep on making like a record that has gotten stuck. Evasion has _always_ been counterplay, in practically any combat game you care to mention. Even in something as basic as ‘capture the flag’ in TFC…evasion ( and not pew pew ) is half the battle. I can think of very few games where one just goes in with all guns blazing and never ever uses _evading_ the enemy as a strategy at any point. You keep on trying to impose some twisted Lucas dictionary of definitions on us. Stop it ! Even the great general Sun Tzu makes the point… "The wise warrior avoids the battle.” ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/748 "2022-09-22T16:37:21Z")
Merge two and three for Today. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/749 "2022-09-19T20:48:14Z")
Herro denizens of New Eden! Today I’d like to discuss what are some ways you use to avoid le gank, and why, as we were all educated, ganking isn’t a problem for veterans. 1. Learn How to Use F10 -Turn on ships blapped in the last hour -If you see a high number, ganking is most likely active there -Plan a better route -Use scouts -Split the shipment so that it doesn’t hurt as much -Real g’s move in silence like lasagna 2. Fit The Ship -Don’t fit for yield, fit for tank -Dbl tank those bad boys, shield and hull -Learn how to cloak without cloaking 3. Logistics -Plan your activities in systems that aren’t frequented by gank squads -Learn to love watching local -Cultivate friendships with system regulars, advance warning is always good I’m sure there are many more 😃 Please share your tips and tricks! Because as we all know, ganking isn’t a problem for veterans, so share those tips here so that we may spread the word that ganking isn’t a major problem in New Eden 😃 1. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/750 "2022-09-19T21:57:01Z")
Clearly a toxic thread assuming the fellow players don’t know all of this and thus attacking their intelligence. We all know that there is no counterplay to the ganking. That is a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/751 "2022-09-19T22:12:35Z")
So I’ve been told 😃 But then I’ve also been told ganking isn’t a problem for veterans so… Interesting eh? ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/752 "2022-09-19T22:18:45Z")
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