# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/778 "2022-09-20T09:27:22Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > one gets too high When one gets too high, one just stops posting and reads. Like this morning. OMG I think Im being posessed by Old Liz ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/779 "2022-09-20T12:46:23Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > When one gets too high, When the _heat_ (negative attention) gets to high, they change to another alt. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/780 "2022-09-20T13:39:41Z")
Oohhhh I though you meant, like… _High_ high Of course, when your _that_ high You dont want _negative attention_ from the fuzz (the heat). Daddio ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/781 "2022-09-20T14:49:44Z")
I got sick over the years answering the same questions, telling the same stories over and over again… For newbs or noobs, best advice i can give: Is actually go suicide ganking for a few weeks…things you will learn: 1.) How to fit and tank cheaply to avoid those profit seeking gankers. 2.) How to recognize a possible gank scout. 3.) How Industry is used to maintain gank forces up to 10x cheaper than market. 4.) Gain a better understanding on the economic relationships between Market, Industry, and Combat PvP. 5.) Learn to become a better EvE player in general. 6.) Learn and understand why people like Lucas Kell is simply trying to destroy the game completely and keeps being treated as an outsider. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/782 "2022-09-20T14:59:17Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I’m sure there are many more Including mining in a fleet, as part of a corp that has good intel. Not only will a fleet be able to provide large numbers of drones for defence, but corp intel ( which I often provide myself, for our miners ) will often let miners know of gankers coming from several systems away. Mining in a fleet can also provide the added benefit of mining boosts, which means in a Venture you can be mining 25% or so faster ! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/783 "2022-09-20T15:59:27Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because they don’t just need tools they need the ability to fly the types of ships gankers generally don’t shoot. You continually just invent sheer lies on the fly. What are all these amazing ships gankers don’t gank ? Just in the past 2 days alone I see ganked… 2bn ISK worth of Leshak. 3bn ISK worth of black ops Sin. 700m ISK worth of Apocalypse 1.6bn ISK worth of Rattlesnake. 1.0bn ISK worth of Kronos 6.25bn ISK worth of Bustard 1.17bn ISK worth of Paladin 2.26bn ISK worth of Occator 3.8bn ISK worth of Typhoon 3.6bn ISK worth of Bustard …and more. Where’s your list of all the alleged ships gankers ‘generallly don’t gank’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/785 "2022-09-20T16:05:46Z")
No…you don’t get out of sheer lies that easily. I am awaiting your list of all the ships gankers ‘generally don’t shoot’. _You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up ! Of course some ships get ganked less that others. I’ll give you a hint…that’s because there are less of them ! But that’s simply not the same as ships gankers ‘generally don’t shoot’. ---
**Author:** ![Onions\_and\_Peppers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onions_and_peppers/32/332621_2.png) [@Onions\_and\_Peppers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onions_and_Peppers)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/786 "2022-09-20T16:24:44Z")
I have one suggestion for avoiding being ganked that has worked pretty well for me: Take a turn as the ganker. Seriously. Figure out which targets you don’t like and then, when you don’t want to play the pirate be one of those targets. Also, and I suspect this is among the reasons it is not a problem for many experienced players, if you are a part of a ganking community you can greatly improve the odds that your own stuff is not targeted. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/788 "2022-09-20T17:24:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I don’t need to justify my statements to some structure bashing rookie. So you **can’t** provide a list of ships that ‘gankers generally don’t shoot’. Oh…and do stop being jealous that this ‘rookie’ has destroyed 85bn in 6 months compared with your 50bn in 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/789 "2022-09-20T17:42:43Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Where’s your list of all the alleged ships gankers ‘generallly don’t gank’ ? He won’t share them cause he doesn’t care about the nubs 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why? I don’t need to justify my statements to some structure bashing rookie. Then you realize no one has any reason to believe you 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/790 "2022-09-20T18:10:21Z")
> [@Onions\_and\_Peppers](#): > > I have one suggestion for avoiding being ganked that has worked pretty well for me: > > Take a turn as the ganker. I have an alt I’ve just trained up for that. Finally has T2 Catalyst…which I’d need going solo. And it’s not as easy as Lucas and others make out…certainly not when setting out as a solo ganker. I have to get within warp scram range ( 7500m ) and even more so get within DPS range. This is precisely why I myself got 2 kill rights against failed ( relatively new ) solo gankers. I think the Catalyst might fit the 24km warp scram…will have to check and see. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/792 "2022-09-20T20:59:30Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Please share your tips and tricks! Thanks for starting the thread. To add more constructive, topical advice: - When moving an expensive ship hull that is blinged out, via piloting it: instead strip the expensive mods off first and fit the hull for tank. Move the expensive 💩 later in a separate trip. - Consider selling loot in hubs other than Jita. Consider any price differences as a premium to avoid the crowd. - Bookmarks: learn how to use them, and when they’ve been burned. - Higgs rigs & alignment mechanics: learn how to fly with one properly. - Industrial cores: just because you can press a “maximize greed but root yourself in a vulnerable location” button, doesn’t mean you should. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/793 "2022-09-20T22:44:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And like Gix you’ll gank a handful of times out of principle then get bored. Cept I didn’t 😃 I already explained my reasoning but in reality bruv, I pay the bills, I get to decide what to do in the sandbox 😃 Just because you gank, doesn’t mean you have to do it 24/7 LOL. You’re such a child sometimes and it just makes me giggle 😃 > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Thanks for starting the thread. To add more constructive, topical advice: All good advice! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/795 "2022-09-20T23:05:01Z")
Not really? What excuse the truth? I’ll gank again in the future for lulz. As I spent this weekend organizing stuff and flying it around the galaxy as the assets page had gotten a bit too crazy. Again, due to my single char/account usage I can’t gank for profit unless with a group. I get it tho, You think this is a gotcha. What’s funny is it merely reveals your bias and your ignorance as to what EVE really is 😃 I would actually say you’ve done more harm than the gankers, as you refuse to share your counterplays with the nublets, leading them to get killed in your eyes 😃 In reality, you’re the one griefing the nublets 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/797 "2022-09-20T23:18:02Z")
LOL you seem mad bro 😃 Enrage? Oh no, that was fun 😃 Heh. Yennoe what I find funny? You’ve literally proven every theory I have about you as right 😃 Imagine thinking ganking is a problem in 2022. It is _delicious_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/799 "2022-09-20T23:37:17Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > spams a forum. hy·poc·ri·sy /həˈpäkrəsē/ _noun_ 1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/801 "2022-09-20T23:47:56Z")
Yeh, your just :parrot: ing away. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/803 "2022-09-20T23:51:19Z")
Literally every other posts is lucas. And it’s the same thing over and over and over again: Ganking is overpowered. It should be removed from the game. Dude, we got it. Please stop spamming. It’s getting annoying. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/804 "2022-09-20T23:55:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > deep insight. Just more hy·poc·ri·sy /həˈpäkrəsē/ _noun_ 1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense. As you have proven you have none to offer. Kudos on being that best chatbot we have come across. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/805 "2022-09-20T23:56:13Z")
Careful he’ll use his alts and flag your post as spam because you said the same thing twice. But he’s allowed to say the same thing ad nausium. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=35) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=37)