# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/863 "2022-09-21T20:34:39Z")
You may be on to something. He is so eager to get all threads containing the word “ganking” locked. I think he wants them all shut down because secretly he is a ganker, on one of his many many alts. Who knows. Stranger machinations have happened. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/864 "2022-09-21T20:37:07Z")
Oh yes to the locking, 100 percent. Its why he dry snitches all the time. Mm I wouldn’t say he is a ganker. I suspect he simply wants to haul in complete safety. He claims he wants EVE safe for the nubs, but refuses to help them. That says it all 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/866 "2022-09-21T20:41:51Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > He claims he wants EVE safe for the nubs, but refuses to help them. New Eden is not ready for his level of knowledge, seriously. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You support all of ganking therefore you support griefing. LOL. Kids who learn about monocellular organisms make the “God is an amoebe” joke. They know it’s a joke. You took it as a fact. Told you before that your logic is flawed. To help you: you are the one equating ganking with griefing, that’s the flaw. Anyway, ignoring my posts about real griefing doesn’t make them go away 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/867 "2022-09-21T20:42:20Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There is no difference between the majority of ganking and griefing. You support all of ganking therefore you support griefing. You realize what’s wrong with this statement right? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not the one who starts firing personal attacks. Uh. Who gon tell him LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/868 "2022-09-21T22:24:38Z")
Something-something “basement-dwelling incels” was the insult slung, if my memory serves right. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/869 "2022-09-21T22:40:37Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Lies. Check the last thread where you disappeared from, after ignoring the only reliable conclusion from the available dataset. I missed that. So the research has been done? Can you link it or do you know which thread and which post number was it at least roughly? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/870 "2022-09-21T23:01:18Z")
> [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004/8827): > > Yeah, and in pulling as much data as possible over the last week, there’s not a lot of confidence that an objective, reasonable analysis can be completed by anyone short of CCP (which is extremely unlikely of them to publish). Taking just Ventures as one example, there is a lot of data, but also a lot never made public. It’s 129 MB for anyone that wants to download it and cut it how they like (and so far approaching 4GB working through all T1 frigates). Even with that much total data (109,… The conclusion of the author is spot on, and not unexpected for anyone who knows what the limits are on published datasets. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/871 "2022-09-22T00:14:55Z")
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**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/872 "2022-09-22T00:20:19Z")
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**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/873 "2022-09-22T03:15:10Z")
No, you don’t refute what someone says by inventing some silly hypothetical you just made up and doing a sort of Cathy Newman ’ so you’re saying that…’ on it. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/875 "2022-09-22T09:07:27Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It seems that you do think it’s possible for a mechanic to be overpowered. Of course in many games they can be. Ganking doesn’t happen to be one of them 😃 You’ve already admitted it isn’t actually a problem 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Brucifer\_Morningstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucifer_morningstar/32/334759_2.png) [@Brucifer\_Morningstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brucifer_Morningstar)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/876 "2022-09-22T14:46:28Z")
You inspired me to make how to get ganked and why ganking is a problem [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-ganked-and-why-ganking-is-a-problem/377821](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-ganked-and-why-ganking-is-a-problem/377821) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/877 "2022-09-22T15:06:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It seems that you do think it’s possible for a mechanic to be overpowered. There’s nothing wrong with the mechanics of ganking. The DPS to ships required ratio varies nicely according to system security level…which is totally in accordance with 0.5 systems being less safe than 1.0 systems. If people choose to mine, haul, or whatever in 0.5 systems they _know_ there is added risk. What’s the problem ? Now that I’ve actually been ganking…I see even more how all the strategies for avoiding being ganked come into play. The Hulk that was ganked _could_ have avoided it. They could have spotted the scout drawing in close ( I’m _always_ suspicious if any other ship draws close for no good reason ). They could have added my corp’s ganker wing to bad standing…and would have noticed 4 of us suddenly enter the system. They even had time between us entering the system and arriving in which they could have tried to flee. And add more time to that as we then had to lock target, scram, etc. None of it was a foregone conclusion. None of it was ‘overpowered’. One of the gankers ( me ) even ended up too far away from the target and had a desperate solo attempt at a different target and failed. Where’s the ‘overpowered’ in all this ? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/878 "2022-09-19T20:48:14Z")
Herro denizens of New Eden! Today I’d like to discuss what are some ways you use to avoid le gank, and why, as we were all educated, ganking isn’t a problem for veterans. 1. Learn How to Use F10 -Turn on ships blapped in the last hour -If you see a high number, ganking is most likely active there -Plan a better route -Use scouts -Split the shipment so that it doesn’t hurt as much -Real g’s move in silence like lasagna 2. Fit The Ship -Don’t fit for yield, fit for tank -Dbl tank those bad boys, shield and hull -Learn how to cloak without cloaking 3. Logistics -Plan your activities in systems that aren’t frequented by gank squads -Learn to love watching local -Cultivate friendships with system regulars, advance warning is always good I’m sure there are many more 😃 Please share your tips and tricks! Because as we all know, ganking isn’t a problem for veterans, so share those tips here so that we may spread the word that ganking isn’t a major problem in New Eden 😃 1. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/879 "2022-09-22T17:12:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > > > Evasion has _always_ been counterplay, > > Nope. I hope I can clear this up. In Lucas’ definition, ‘counter-play’ seems to imply a _positive, aggressive_ response to the challenge of The Gank. From the point of view of the target, there can be no positive, aggressive response, because he has been taken unawares. That’s what a gank is, of course. Thus, Lucas perhaps believes (he’ll correct me if I’m wrong…) that there is no direct counter to ganking, from the target. In this case, the only possible positive, aggressive interventions come from NPCs, Anti-Ganking, or allies of some sort. To ‘counter’ a thing is to ‘oppose’ it. You could do so _passively_, using avoidance, or any other of the many suggested strategies. So, there is (in my mind at least) _active_ counter-play and _passive_ counter-play. Now to the chessboard! If your Queen threatens my Rook, and I move him out of the way in consequence, that is a passive counter-play. I have countered your impudence by temporarily getting out of harm’s way. But if, in making my move, I am now able to apply pressure to your Bishop, and 'Mate in 4 moves, that temporary retreat has become a counter-attack, an active, positive, aggressive counter-play. I think there’s room for ‘passive counter-play’ as a description for viable options in warding off the Ebil Gonker. But I don’t hold out high hopes… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/881 "2022-09-22T17:32:31Z")
> [@Brucifer\_Morningstar](#): > > You inspired me to make how to get ganked and why ganking is a problem Yea well, that was a dumpster fire of a post my boy 😃 Also, you forgot that they consented right as they undocked 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Avoidance isn’t counterplay because it’s just the ability to opt out of the engagement. But it is 😃 Because you’re using in game tools to avoid. Hence counter 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/882 "2022-09-22T17:37:15Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Your chess analogy is a little off Very likely, Lucas. In the Real World, no chess player worth the name would make a defensive move _purely_ in order to escape a threat… ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/883 "2022-09-22T18:02:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Most of my trading is not done anywhere near Jita. Ya, it’s done in Sobaseki. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/885 "2022-09-22T18:04:27Z")
He’s just going to argue you into submission using semantics and interpretation of definitions. It’s a moot point anyway. Any good EvE pvper knows that avoidance can be good counterplay tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/886 "2022-09-22T18:05:44Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Any good EvE pvper knows that avoidance can be good counterplay tactic. Can’t kill what they can’t catch 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=38) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=40)