# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/914 "2022-09-23T00:46:24Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There’s a principle called yield tanking, Of course if you got your way and removed all the ganking committed by basement dwelling psychotic incels that poor player wouldn’t even have to exert the energy of even doing that math. What a beautiful paradise. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/915 "2022-09-23T00:46:45Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But you would be losing ISK, that’s the point. Basically if you were player A in that situation then compared to player B you would be losing a barge every 20 hours. No he wouldn’t LOL. He just said what’d he do to counter it. Watching local alone would’ve kept him alive LOL. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/916 "2022-09-23T00:48:08Z")
If you have to figure on getting ganked every single day as part of your profit/loss margins, you might as well uninstall, because you are either the laziest person in the world, or you simply suck at EVE… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/917 "2022-09-23T00:51:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > was just pointing out that being warped to a target and told to press F1 isn’t a whole lot different from structure bashing. Lol…that is how practically all fleet combat works in Eve. There are videos of FCs of large blob fleets targeting half a dozen ships at a time and telling the fleet which ones to shoot at. …sometimes with a speed that would put a horse racing commentator to shame. So I’m guessing fleet combat is now ‘not real PvP’ too…according to the Lucas Dictionary Of All Things Eve. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/918 "2022-09-23T00:51:36Z")
Just saw another one on Zkill. A completely untanked Skiff with 300 million ISK worth of ORE miners installed. Genius. Pure genius… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/920 "2022-09-23T00:54:37Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > If you have to figure on getting ganked every single day as part of your profit/loss margins Isn’t that the opposite of what Lucas is saying? If I read it correctly, if you figure on not being ganked, then fit for yield (T2 crystals aside which I assume is about reducing waste for some dumb reason). That way, if you are not ganked, you mine more and can turn that into more ISK for the same amount of mining. If you do get ganked, then as long as it is infrequently, you are still making more ISK overall. If you plan for the possibility of being ganked and fit for tank, but are not ganked, then you mine slower and earn less ISK. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/921 "2022-09-23T00:58:34Z")
This is why gankers exist. Because most players are, for lack of a better term, lazy idiots. This genius was flying a paper-thin T1 Badger through Uedama with 2.4 Billion ISK worth of cargo with no prop mod, no cloak, and no alignment upgrades… [Badger | Zauromudakanadon | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/103450386/) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/922 "2022-09-23T01:02:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 Yeah, he said he’d fit for tank, which means he would be losing the ISK equivalent of a barge every 20 hours. It’s basic math. Yes, he would fit a tank. Then watch local, therefore bouncing when peeps jumped in. So he wouldn’t be losing a barge every 20 hours ROFL. But you already knew that 😃 You’re just arguing in bad faith like usual. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This is why you people are poor. It’s got nothing to do with laziness and it’s actually the smarter choice if you look at the math. You’re literally saying you would rather make less income just so you don’t have to risk losing a ship. > > And bear in mind I’m not suggesting you take no steps to avoid being ganked, just that yield tanking is often more lucrative than fitting for tank. Not really. You aren’t factoring in the reship time and all of that. Overall I’d say Quake is right and generates more income over the course of the ship life. Poor? Bruv I got more ISK than I know what to do with 😃 I mean we get it. You fit for yield cause you AFK mine when you played. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you plan for the possibility of being ganked and fit for tank, but are not ganked, then you mine slower and earn less ISK. It also depends WHERE you mine. There are systems, right near hubs, that never see any gankers. Also some people take pride in the ability to actually play the game and evade a gank. Lucas just mines AFK and comes back to a pod in space 😃 > [@QuakeGod](#): > > This is why gankers exist. Because most players are, for lack of a better term, lazy idiots. This genius was flying a paper-thin T1 Badger through Uedama with 2.4 Billion ISK worth of cargo with no prop mod, no cloak, and no alignment upgrades… Yep haha. When I first came back, I was moving some stuff around in a super tanked T1 hauler. I didn’t know yet about Uedama and all of that. Right as I jumped in, a lone vexor tried to gank me. He probably thought I had no tank 🙂 I had maybe like… 200 mil in the hold? He didn’t even get through my shields before CONCORD came 😃 He was flabbergasted in local. I scooped his wreck and went on my way. Was good times 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/923 "2022-09-23T01:08:27Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you plan for the possibility of being ganked and fit for tank, but are not ganked, then you mine slower and earn less ISK. But if they are ganked that’s 60m ISK lost, which is gonna take a day or more of mining to replace, and in a place like Isanamo one is unlikely to escape gankers all day if one does not have good avoidance skills. I’d argue that especially in Isanamo good tank is essential. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/925 "2022-09-23T01:13:34Z")
Yes. I would say, \*\*\*\* tank. Barges got buffed so extremely hard that you can’t even die to rats anymore even after hour of being completely afk. And gankers will most likely bring as many ships as it would take to kill max tanked class of your ship anyway as they rarely scan barges fits. So if you pay attention to local or mine aligned, you will survive and if you don’t you will die no matter what. In which case better go max yield and little to no tank, that is my logical assesment. You will also save gankers some ISKs for killing you if you asleep 😉 Tank will help only again solo gankers, which is no longer a thing thanks to the EHP buff. Or small scale gankers who gank barges with just two, three ships - and those seems to gone extinct as well again because of the EHP buff → the chance the target is tanked to survive 2-3 catalysts is quite high today, too high to even bother, 3 catalysts can kill Gila so the only reason that miner ganking is still a thing is that some of the gankers will do it anyway just to make a statement to either miners or CCP. (Or because hatred against miners (botters) or mining activity itself. Or because they didn’t paid the permit thingy.) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/926 "2022-09-23T01:15:46Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’d argue that especially in Isanamo good tank is essential. Yield tanking is a losing prop. Its just an excuse people tell themselves for getting ganked 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > you don’t get the math Oh I do. Cept I’d pay that paltry 300 mil to insure if I did get caught slipping, I’d have a good chance of making it out with my ship. And you call us the poors but can’t even spend that extra 300 mil? 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, not at all. I actually wrote a guide on this back in 2013. Oh? Drop the guide 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Doubtful, but based on your inability to understand basic math I believe that you think you have a lot of ISK. You act as if making ISK is hard in EVE 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why would an AFK player fit for yield? They’d fit for capacity, surely. I dunno bruv, you tell me. It sounds like you got a lot of experience coming back to your computer and finding a pod 😃 > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Tank will help only again solo gankers Always fit a tank bruv. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/927 "2022-09-23T01:15:57Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > in a place like Isanamo one is unlikely to escape gankers all day It’s really the lazy and incompetent that mine in Isanamo and they deserve the consequences for their choices. I get the attraction of being that close to Jita, but you can easily mine trouble free in many of the other 1191 highsec systems (not all, but more than 1100 of them can be mined in very safely) and then just get the compressed ores couriered. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/928 "2022-09-23T01:16:49Z")
There’s actually a system super close to Jita. You can mine all day and not be disturbed. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/930 "2022-09-23T01:23:45Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Always fit a tank bruv. Well I don’t mine. And if I would mine because say AIR challenge or something. Then I would take gank as an act of liberation and would thanked them. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/931 "2022-09-23T01:26:39Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 It’s not about “spending that extra” it’s about efficiency. What you’re effectively saying is that if you were mining then you’d be so scared of gankers that you’d constnatly throw away ISK. Bro we get it. You’re poor and 300 mil stresses you out 😃 Also if you never lose the ship, you aren’t continually losing the mods LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why? I’ve pretty much covered everything it covered here and I really can’t be bothered to upload it anywhere. These were the yields back at that time: Oh. You can’t be bothered to upload a guide you made. Huh. Almost like that mysterious ship fit you have. Or the data. Huh 😃 It’s almost like you never made the guide and just stole those charts from someone else’s. 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, but generally when people who can’t understand basic math tell me about their riches they’re usually talking about a few billion ISK. Cept I can 😃 You’re the one stressing about 300 mil bruv. That tells me everything I need to know 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/933 "2022-09-23T01:37:38Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Hey…I’m now officially a psychopathic seal clubber… Hey, good for you for trying it! That’s awesome. Expand your horizons and see if it’s a game style you like. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 I love how you tried your hand at solo ganking, failed, then went back to what you know: sitting in a fleet pressing F1 on command. You’d fit in well in null. Seriously? Shaming someone for trying something new even if they fail at it? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/934 "2022-09-23T01:46:09Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What I love most is that it’s been explained to you a couple of times in the simplest of terms and you still don’t get it. It’s like when you tell someone the objective fact that an infinite number of monkeys on typewriters would write the complete works of Shakespeare and they start screaming that monkeys could never write Shakespeare. Mm no actually. Sorry bruv. The gas don’t work 😃 You know I’m right as well. Eventually the mods get paid off and the dude who doesn’t get ganked keeps making money while the dude who gets ganked falls behind as he is continually taking losses 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 And if I’d gone through the aggro of uploading the guide you’d have claimed that was someone else too. I have zero incentive to jump through hoops for you since you will never be satisfied. You’ve always got to argue. Not really. If you’d actually uploaded, I would have read it to see if it actually is helpful or good at all. But of course, given another opportunity to provide proof, ye backpedaled 😃 I hate to break it to you bruv but you know none of us take you seriously right? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/935 "2022-09-23T01:47:10Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Hey, good for you for trying it! That’s awesome. Expand your horizons and see if it’s a game style you like. Oh…I’m not simply trying it. My alt Maverickz is ensconced in AO’s official ganking wing now. There will be lots more. I do like it, but I have to say the pressure doing it the first few times is pretty tense…not wanting to screw up. All the more pressure as a previous target with a kill right on me was there in Isanamo at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/936 "2022-09-23T02:02:15Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > not wanting to screw up. It’s okay to make mistakes. If you’re not making mistakes, you’re not trying. When you do make a mistake, analyze it. Learn from it. It is the way to becoming a better EvE player. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/938 "2022-09-23T02:04:06Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Oh…I’m not simply trying it. My alt Maverickz is ensconced in AO’s official ganking wing now Gotta say, I love they way you’ve developed as a player and changed attitudes along the way. If only EVE grabbed everyone that way. I look forward to the day you lose your first Titan. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=40) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=42)