# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1111 "2022-09-25T23:37:49Z")
So is pvp. I don’t care about AFK, to each his/her risk assessment 😛 It’s just the whining AFTER they get killed while being AFK. And only some very strange people would claim that AFK equals playing ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1113 "2022-09-25T23:38:26Z")
See, honesty pays! At least you admit you’re a botter. Most don’t. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1115 "2022-09-25T23:41:50Z")
EVE. Why would you even ask? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1116 "2022-09-25T23:41:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Make up your mind. What makes you think it’s not made up already ? “AFK is bad” can mean a number of things. It could be a moral judgement, but in my mind it’s bad due to increased risk, something I always calculate as best as I can 😉 Have fun in your little hisec pocket in lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1118 "2022-09-25T23:46:25Z")
🤣 Only you… Great duck test, btw ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1120 "2022-09-25T23:55:32Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s a solid “no” then? My guy, listen to what Mr. Jackson says eh? Find a mirror 😃 Ask yourself that same question 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m AFK mining and playing Fallout 4 but you just happened to post just as I was responding to Scipio elsewhere so it popped up. This is why context matters. and why he really wants ganking gone 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, it’s a core part of the game. Being away from the keyboard is a core part of the game? Wild 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > In what universe is AFK equal to botting? ROFL. A griefer and a botter. A botter who complains about botters. Wild 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I loe how you try to twist everything into some sort of victory. How’s that whole thing going where you are trying to pretend to be some level-headed, rational commenter? Doesn’t seem to be going too well. You mean like that tantrum you threw earlier and then you went nutso on the ISD? Edit: I also like catching your spelling errors before you fix them cause you know you’re just pounding on that keyboard cause you’re yennoe, emotional 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1122 "2022-09-26T00:02:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I love how you try to twist everything into some sort of victory Hypocrisy at its best. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not the target for ganks. But your bots are. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1123 "2022-09-26T00:03:51Z")
I never pretended, I tried to reason with you, and the interpretation was yours. I admit, I had to give up rational discussion with you. People tried to convince me and, as you know, I resisted for a long long time, in many threads. But you kept on proving their point. You still do. If you play nice on the forums, so will most other people. However, it’s sad to see that you chose an extremist point of view, face some heavy criticism, and are locked up in that endless loop. Moreover, your attempts at contributing to the discussion haven’t lead to any progress either way. I told you many many posts ago that that would happen. Sour grapes, or should I say, cookies from your own dough ? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1125 "2022-09-26T00:06:01Z")
You have yet to prove a single point. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1127 "2022-09-26T00:16:22Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Likewise. I’m ■■■■ posting just like you. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1128 "2022-09-26T00:18:08Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > insulting you mean like you calling me a crackhead ? I never did that… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > misrepresenting tactics all your mates were using I do not know the people who respond to you on these forums. I have never flown with any of them. We share an opinion on a game aspect, and on decency and honesty on the forums. My appreciation for them has only grown, that is true. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > as if I’m the one that started off not playing nice Have some intellectual honesty, and know when your opinion has been heard. Air time is not indefinite, and the final word will never be yours on a public forum. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Which I agreed. I expect zero progress to be made here. Neither side is going to change position and CCP won’t be looking at this forum for feedback. Leaves us with the question, why is this continuing ? Break the endless loop. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1129 "2022-09-26T00:19:27Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m AFK mining and playing Fallout 4 Soooo… The truth now why he is so set against ganking… A self admitted Bot Aspirant! I sure hope I dont come across your HS pocket cause if I do, I will go out of my way to gank you…cause i really dislike you as a player and as a person. and besides…Bot Aspirants need to die more than Bots do. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1130 "2022-09-26T00:20:23Z")
And admit he’s wrong? We have another fool on the planet with the same agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1131 "2022-09-26T00:21:21Z")
I hear there’s one born every minute 😆 Sometimes they bling out their ships too, after buying plex and stuff ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1132 "2022-09-26T00:24:46Z")
I had gankers come in and scan. They left. No bling… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1134 "2022-09-26T00:27:19Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I had gankers come in and scan. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I had gankers come in and scan. Actually, time and time again. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1135 "2022-09-26T00:31:04Z")
See ? Up to your old tricks again. Do you see as many threads about **facilitating ganking** as you do about **nerfing ganking**? Who’s ■■■■ posting ? Who’s making a fuzz ? And you honestly believe that will not trigger a necessary response ?! That’s bull, and if you were even slightly separated from your favorite subject, you’d acknowledge that. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Actually, time and time again. 🤔 They’re on to you. Hide ! LMAO ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1137 "2022-09-26T00:50:18Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ganking doesn’t impact me. At all. I’m a veteran not a newbie, remember? I’m not the target for ganks. I actively state things gankers hat me for stating and even that doesn’t make then hunt down my fleet, so what possible reason would I have to care about ganking from a personal gain perspective? So you’re again admitting ganking isn’t a problem. Thankee 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > AFK play absolutely is, yeah. Oh. Curious, Does it say that on your box? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That must be it, there’s no other reason for typos. Typos always display uncontrolled emotion. In your case? Yes. I see you furiously replying and then as you get more emotional, you make more typing errors and don’t proof read and just post. It is a definite pattern 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > False accusations don’t help your points. You admitted to botting 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 Of course you did. You went on about how important it is to be rational, then when I didn’t agree with your points of view you _immediately_ turned to the exact same insulting, misrepresenting tactics all your mates were using. I was actually pretty hilarious to watch how quickly the facade fell away. Erm. How was he insulting? You out here using abelist slurs every chance you get and we’re the ones being insulting cause we laughing at you? ROFL > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, you say this as if I’m the one that started off not playing nice. I point this out to you before and your response was to ignore what I was actually telling you and go off on a tangent that it’s not your job to fight my battles. You ignore bad behaviour on the side you support and then blame people on the opposing side for reacting. Can you drop some proof of this alleged bad behavior? We not out here beefing with ISDs and insulting people with abelist slurs LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Which I agreed. I expect zero progress to be made here. Neither side is going to change position and CCP won’t be looking at this forum for feedback. Actually I have it on good authority Aiko is Hilmar’s alt 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 When you say things like this, it does kinda make you seem like you are on crack. It’s SO detached from reality. Huh. I’ve known peeps on crack bruv. Yong def isn’t. So you’re sheltered IRL too. Interesting 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Entertainment. It’s funny watching gankers twist to try to argue every narrative from every direction, often contradicting themselves at every turn. Your fav song must be Man In The Mirror huh? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Hell, I might start mailing every gank victim encouraging them to post about how bad it is for the game on the forum. Others can do so too. Hey @Codename_Razorback how do you feel about encouraging gank victims to come to the forum and voice their concerns? I dunno, he’ll probably just ramble on about the Vegas Strip and Merica again 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1138 "2022-09-26T00:50:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m AFK mining and playing Fallout 4 Then go play that game? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1139 "2022-09-26T00:54:35Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Entertainment. It’s funny watching gankers twist to try to argue every narrative from every direction, often contradicting themselves at every turn. Right. No reason why I shouldn’t have some fun as well. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’ve claimed that I’ve said my piece and should now shut up. You are yet to explain why that does not apply to gankers, or to you for that matter. Did you ever notice how these threads quiet down when you don’t respond ? It’s almost like you’re the life of the party, not the subject. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So you think that because more people oppose ganking and post about it than people who support ganking and post about that, that’s somehow counters the objective fact that gankers ■■■■ up any thread that even mentions ganking? I’d argue that shows a fundamental problem with ganking. People who accepted ganking as a game reality will rarely post about it, except as a response to yoyo’s calling for a nerf or abolishment of ganking. Calls for change, especially of the kind where people put themselves in the corner of “massively solo online” in a pvp game, will always do that. That doesn’t make the gankers wrong, despicable, lowlifes, crackheads, basement dwellers or window lickers… And literally ALL, every single one of your so-called OBJECTIVE FACTS, lack any evidence. The way you present things is one of the main reasons why you are served with sour grapes. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=47) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=49)