# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1275 "2022-09-28T10:24:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ More evidence that youā€™re Altara. Mm no. They donā€™t really post a like. > [@Omnis\_Decline](#): > > It was fun the first couple of times you accused me of being an alt, but please stop. Iā€™m a good researcher of games, and someone whoā€™s had years of indirect contact with New Eden in spite of not playing EVE for myself during that time. Iā€™ve got a few steps of advantage over other new players with similar in-game playtime to my own, and I have opinions which donā€™t agree with yours. That doesnā€™t mean I have to be one of the people whoā€™s already been arguing with you previously. Iā€™m perfectly capable of realising your arguments are terrible independently of the other people who have done so. Donā€™t let him turn you off of EVE. He is a very small miniority of people who canā€™t play good so they cry to daddy CCP to save them. He is also a known liar, botter and griefer šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1277 "2022-09-28T11:01:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Clearly youā€™re not since you canā€™t even watch a video, read a blog and then accurately understand what they stated. Look at you, griefing the new bro šŸ˜ƒ > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yeah, the fact that youā€™re a ganker alt gives you an advantage. So youā€™ll believe this newbro is a ganker alt and an experienced player. So how can you know all these countless nubs that are dying are actually newbies? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, but the way you posted in a few newbie threads once each (to prime the account) then started hammering out posts in multiple ganking threads on different subforums is immediately suspect. The fact that youā€™ve then proceeded to use the exact same arguments, the exact same flawed techniques and in many cases the exact same terminology as a couple of the characters here suggests youā€™re an alt. Actually, you repeat yourself so much he probably picked it up fairly quick šŸ˜ƒ _Also_ did you find on the EVE box where they say that a core tenet of their vidya game is being AFK? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1279 "2022-09-28T11:40:04Z")
> [@Omnis\_Decline](#): > > Conclusion: It took almost 8 hours of actively trying to get myself killed in dangerous parts of space It depends entirely on where you goā€¦and whenā€¦just as with highsec. I know places in highsec where you can mine all day and never see a ganker. Most of nullsec is empty, and large parts of lowsec are quite tame. Butā€¦pick the wrong time of day at Kinakka, or Abhazon, or Uedama, etc, etc, and youā€™ll have a bad day. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1280 "2022-09-28T11:55:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, because you clearly are an alt. Iā€™m not going to stop pointing out fact just because they blow a hole in your claims to be a newbie with such a deep understanding of ganking that you think you can correct CCPs own statements. Whatā€™s truly laughable is the number of times Iā€™ve now seen you try to negate peopleā€™s own actual experience if it conflicts with your dogmatic beliefs. Again and again, accounts of how noobs ( including myself ) managed just fine or even received a necessary HTFU from ganking are just casually dismissed as anecdotal or irrelevant. You are like someone who insists it is raining all over the country, and if someone says ā€™ actually, the sun is shining hereā€™, it is irrelevantā€¦and if numerous people say it then its still irrelevant as it does not match your dogmatic mis-interpretation of a single sentence CCP may have said either recently or 10 billion years ago. And the sheer irony is that every single one of us here ( including yourself ) is definitive proof that noobs _can_ survive being noob. Your very existence on this forum is counter evidence to your claims. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1281 "2022-09-28T12:15:02Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > Here is what you idiots do not understandā€¦ Do you know what is sad, stupid people who think they are smart. It is great you have all those characters, but you donā€™t use them for anything meaningful. Using more characters doesnā€™t make you more efficient; you still might get more, but each character degrades in efficiency. You and I are still talking in extremes at examples, mostly you, but to get the conversation going, I am more looking at the masses and what reasonable people do. I believe 3-4 alts would not be a crazy number if High Sec became grank-free heaven. A gank-free high sec is needed to save the game. CCP knows this, and steps are already being taken to see how to approach it and implement it. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1283 "2022-09-28T12:20:03Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > A gank-free high sec is needed to save the game Save the game from what ? Eve has survived _with_ ganking for years now. Itā€™s not as if ganking just started a year or two backā€¦itā€™s been going for _at least_ 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1284 "2022-09-28T12:23:46Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > A gank-free high sec is needed to save the game. CCP knows this, and steps are already being taken to see how to approach it and implement it. This is the truest statement on this forum. We all know itā€™s needed, CCP knows itā€™s needed. Itā€™s just going to take CCP having the guts to stand up to the most abusive players. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1285 "2022-09-28T12:24:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, at no point have I ever said ā€œitā€™s impossible for a noob to stayā€ but youā€™re literally ignoring CCP own statements about causes of a lack of retention on their own dying game. Iā€™m not ignoring anything. Rather, you are the one endlessly _deliberately mis-interpreting_ CCPs rather brief statements. You deliberately conflate ganking with griefing, even though CCP themselvesā€¦i_n the very statements you refer to_ā€¦separated them ! Thus your entire approach is a dishonest mis-interpretation of ā€˜what CCP saidā€™ā€¦as they very clearly did NOT say what you claim. In fact their presentation actually ended with ā€˜gankers, you are safeā€™. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1286 "2022-09-28T12:24:32Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > And the sheer irony is that every single one of us here ( including yourself ) is definitive proof that noobs _can_ survive being noob. Your very existence on this forum is counter evidence to your claims. Yeah and our great great grandparent survived without cars, planes, microwaves or computers. But lets not go backwards. A different generation is playing Eve now, and the developers have to understand that. As people grow older and out of Eve for good and new players come, change, and adjustments will always be needed. No one needs to HTFU, they are paying for the game, and they should get a say, they can soften up if they want. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1287 "2022-09-28T12:26:09Z")
They are working it on the Chinese server, once polished out it will be coming to TQ or at least SISI to be tested and brought on live. I for one am very excited for it as I love the new map concept and think it will give a rebirth to Eve that it has needed for many years now. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1288 "2022-09-28T12:27:54Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Yeah and our great great grandparent survived without cars, planes, microwaves or computers. _Yours_ may have trundled along with horse and cart but mine were flying Vimana alongside the gods. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1289 "2022-09-28T12:28:59Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Save the game from what ? Eve has survived _with_ ganking for years now. Itā€™s not as if ganking just started a year or two backā€¦itā€™s been going for _at least_ 10 years. It isnā€™t so much ganking that it is killing the game directly, but it doesnā€™t help at all. The new space as we have discussed at least a dozen times, is something new and what current-day gamers want. A new space for a new feel to get those less risk-adverse players in the game. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1290 "2022-09-28T12:32:33Z")
Well from a family of gods, you were poorly named. Or where you servents? JJ ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1292 "2022-09-28T12:35:54Z")
Oh really? Thatā€™s great! A new map without ganking would be great for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1293 "2022-09-28T12:36:23Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > No one needs to HTFU, they are paying for the game, and they should get a say, they can soften up if they want. Yeah, like I paid for a game of chessā€¦and whatā€™s this ? Knights can jump over other pieces and take mine ! Thatā€™s outrageous and is clearly griefing. I mean I _paid_ not to be psychologically traumatised by the game. Iā€™m the customer and Iā€™m always right. Clearly whoever is making the Chinese Eve needs to get started on chess as soon as possible. Ban knights from jumping ! I know people who have to have hypnotic regression therapy alongside alien abduction victims in order to cope with the sheer **trauma** of a knight appearing from nowhere and ganking their pawn ! ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1294 "2022-09-28T12:38:59Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Yeah, like I paid for a game of chessā€¦and whatā€™s this ? Knights can jump over other pieces and take mine ! Thatā€™s outrageous and is clearly griefing. I mean I _paid_ not to be psychologically traumatised by the game. Iā€™m the customer and Iā€™m always right. Clearly whoever is making the Chinese Eve needs to get started on chess as soon as possible. Ban knights from jumping ! I know people who have to have hypnotic regression therapy alongside alien abduction victims in order to cope with the sheer **trauma** of a knight appearing from nowhere and ganking their pawn ! Calm down Altara, your blood pressure is off the chartsā€¦ The changes coming are not to take away your game play, you will just need to move to low sec, which is a fun part of space to be completely honest. Calm, breath in, calm breith outā€¦ you are going to be fine I know it you are such a determined hardcore player. JJ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1295 "2022-09-28T12:40:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again though, if you want to pretend ā€œgankers are safeā€, go right ahead. Heyā€¦to quote youā€¦ā€˜itā€™s what CCP actually saidā€™ ! What kind of a dishonest person only partially ā€˜quotesā€™ a source ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1297 "2022-09-28T12:42:07Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Calm down Altara, your blood pressure is off the chartsā€¦ Lolā€¦no Iā€™m having great fun mocking the afflicted. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1299 "2022-09-28T12:44:24Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Someone on reddit summarised their stance Lolā€¦now weā€™re down to quoting ā€˜someoneā€™ on Reddit. Heyā€¦ā€˜someoneā€™ on Reddit said the Earth is flat and Elvis Presley is alive and well on Mars. ---
**Author:** ![Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/defi_natalie_notanalt/32/352557_2.png) [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1300 "2022-09-28T12:45:07Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Lolā€¦no Iā€™m having great fun mocking the afflicted. By all accounts it looks like youā€™re getting dunked. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=53) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=55)