# Proposal for Rebalancing of the Suicide Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [June 24, 2022, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013 "2022-06-24T09:28:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1301 "2022-09-28T12:45:44Z")
> [@Defi\_Natalie\_NotAnAlt](#): > > By all accounts it looks like you’re getting dunked. Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1303 "2022-09-28T12:46:46Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1305 "2022-09-28T12:48:34Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > Well from a family of gods, you were poorly named. Or where you servents? No, I am from the top caste and thus learned to spell properly 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_W\_James](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_w_james/32/316227_2.png) [@Jesse\_W\_James](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_W_James)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1307 "2022-09-28T13:18:15Z")
There are 12 F keys, you can imagine the pressure there. Stay strong Altara, we are behind you 100%!!! JJ ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1308 "2022-09-28T13:28:23Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > They are working it on the Chinese server, once polished out it will be coming to TQ or at least SISI to be tested and brought on live. This is blatant rumormongering. Objectively, rationally, and logically. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1309 "2022-09-28T13:32:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Most of her gameplay is following alliance commands and pressing F1 when instructed to take down undefended structures. Most of my gameplay actually consists of making sure that you keep thinking that. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1311 "2022-09-28T14:44:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because the full context of that statement is him referring to two categories of gankers Nope, he referred to two categories of hisec pvp, one of which is called Griefing, the other is called Ganking. Please print and put on your mirror. Learn it by heart. So you stop spouting the same nonsense over and over again. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/8/f/98f6304d1f9affb3739b7094f45bc835a1e01ebb.jpeg) This isn’t a market you can try to manipulate … > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. It’s speculation. Since that sentence of his lacked a conditional clause it is written as a certainty. That makes it rumor mongering - intended or not. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1313 "2022-09-28T15:39:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Both of which are what gankers currently refer to as “ganking”. No. That’s what you try to make everyone believe. It’s one of the lies you spout. No one on these forums support _griefing_ - which is a bannable offense according to the EULA/ToS. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you’re saying that you’re happy for the left half of that to be removed Half of what ? Are you _again_ claiming that half of ganking is griefing, or even half of hisec pvp is griefing ? How often do you have to be told that neither me nor anyone else who has responded to you since you thought it a good idea to show up here, that _griefing_ is against the EULA/ToS ? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I disagree. People who actually read comprehensively disagree with you 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1314 "2022-09-28T15:44:03Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > In return I’ve begun work on creating a market hub just for you. I’m sure one of my accounts will find it useful 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1316 "2022-09-28T15:54:55Z")
> [@Jesse\_W\_James](#): > > A new space for a new feel to get those less risk-adverse players in the game. Oh God. You seriously haven’t a clue. Your glorified Teletubbie Carebear Highsec will _bore_ even the risk averse. People will get sick of seeing endless rows of 100% safe AFK Orcas mining ore that nobody will ever use because with all the gankers now in lowsec your carebears will be too scared to ever go there ! I mean, does it ever occur to you that your proposed Eve will simply make life riskier for the ‘risk averse’ when they do go to lowsec ? And if they are never going to go to lowsec…what are they even playing Eve for ? Teletubbie Mineville in safe space while they watch Netflix ? THAT is what you want this once glorious game to descend to ? The _only_ danger Eve faces is if CCP ever listen to the likes of you who would genuinely destroy the game. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1317 "2022-09-28T15:56:02Z")
Rattati was pretty clear that “ganking is not griefing”. He said “Highsec is not a new player area”, “gankers are safe”, and “extensive analysis” led him to conclude that the ganking community is not engaged in griefing. CCP is concerned about griefing, but gankers are not targeting “new players in new player ships with zero cargo for no tangible benefit”, and “griefing is not ganking”. Lucas is free to make things up and say whatever he wants - I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing, and he can waste his time crying about it on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1318 "2022-09-28T15:57:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > the left hand side of that slide is not describing what is currently in the EULA as griefing. Are you claiming to know what Rattati means ? Rookie griefing has its own page on the support website in case you didn’t know, my dear fellow. Griefing is defined in the EULA via description of certain types of unwanted behavior. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > An infinite amount of times if you’re going to keep pretending that the left side of that slide was referring to EULA breaching griefing. If you think that the EULA needs adjusting to fit the left hand side of the slide, tell us, oh Truly Great One, why it hasn’t been done in over four months now ? It’s not like it needs programming. It’s just typing words, swift action is possible if needed. Perhaps the kind of griefing that you are looking for is just not there, lol. Perhaps the good folks at ccp know about alpha characters and how they can be used by make-belief newbies. Because this is what’s going to happen: every case, as there is subscription money involved, will have to be reviewed thoroughly, each time. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Literally the opposite of true. Nah, don’t think so… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > An infinite amount of times Also, I wouldn’t if I were you. You already managed to get multiple threads closed, mostly due to your presence and your behavior. You find it amusing. I find it obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1319 "2022-09-28T15:58:10Z")
Rattati (and CCP) have been crystal clear that “griefing” refers to attacking new players (under 30 days old) who are engaged in the “new player experience” tutorial within designated “new player systems”. No matter how much Lucas cries and makes things up, CCP is not going to stop gankers from shooting Ventures in Isanamo. Isanamo is not a new player system, and that’s a verifiable fact. I have contacted CCP and told them what I’m doing, how I’m doing it, where I’m doing it, and who I’m doing it to. They have repeatedly confirmed that I am not in violation of the EULA, and Lucas Kell does not represent their views on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1320 "2022-09-28T16:04:10Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You already managed to get multiple threads closed, mostly due to your presence and your behavior. You find it amusing. I find it obnoxious. You, Gix, and Altara need to just mute and stop replying to the troll already. Otherwise he’s incentivized to continue tanking every thread. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1322 "2022-09-28T16:08:06Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > No matter how much Lucas cries and makes things up, CCP is not going to stop gankers from shooting Ventures in Isanamo. Not only that, but being ganked in Isanamo is a great killboard cover for the hundreds of fake ‘noobs’ that are out there and wish to pass themselves off as noob. Hey…looks legit noob to me…lets invite him to the corp… ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1323 "2022-09-28T16:08:51Z")
That’s a good question to put to him, and put this stupid roundabout to a halt at the same time. I hope he answers, finally and with finality. Isn’t that what literally all of us want ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1324 "2022-09-28T16:16:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So what you’re saying is that if carebears exist in safety in highsec noone in the game will use resources any more? Seems unlikely. You continually miss the point. What are Carebear Mineville 100% AFK Safe miners mining FOR ? Just to build up a huge mega pile of ISK ? Then what ? Sit there and pretend that because they have 150bn ISK they have won Eve ? The only thing ISK really exists for is making combat ships. Oh hell…you’ve just removed combat from highsec. That means those ISK are only relevant in lowsec and null…which your ‘risk averse’ carebears are now too scared to go to…especially as Aiko and crew would be gate camping every gate to lowsec in revenge ! ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1325 "2022-09-28T16:19:25Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You ~~continually~~ deliberately miss the point. ftfy, you’re too polite 😉 ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1326 "2022-09-28T16:19:59Z")
> [@Omnis\_Decline](#): > > It was fun the first couple of times you accused me of being an alt, but please stop. I’m a good researcher of games, and someone who’s had years of indirect contact with New Eden in spite of not playing EVE for myself during that time. I’ve got a few steps of advantage over other new players with similar in-game playtime to my own, and I have opinions which don’t agree with yours. That doesn’t mean I have to be one of the people who’s already been arguing with you previously. I’m perfectly capable of realising your arguments are terrible independently of the other people who have done so. He has also accused me of being a ganker alt. He just does that if you talk to him reasonably and logically. Don’t take it personally. You posts are great. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013/1328 "2022-09-28T16:27:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Aiko and her crew aren’t big enough to camp the gates of one region, let alone every gate from highsec. Well that’s odd…as you go on as if every noob in every system in Eve is ganked 10 times a day by Safety. Now _by your own admission_…ganking is just a small local issue. So there’s no need to alter the entire game because of it. See how you keep tripping yourself up ? Keep at it ! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=54) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-for-rebalancing-of-the-suicide-gank/368013.md?page=56)