# \[Proposal\]Remove Set safety to red in highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [December 28, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323 "2020-12-28T15:38:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/21 "2020-12-28T18:06:56Z")
Just by simply looking at zkill on said systems , you can see that suicide ganks happen there daily . Now, I’ve been playing this game for long , years ago , you could see a suicide gank happen in those systems once at a couple of months , not daily . The data is there for you on the table on zkill , just register a char on the page so you can browse more that 10 pages of losses and convince yourself . I don’t have the time to do this for you. Not going to teaspoon feed you now. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/22 "2020-12-28T18:08:57Z")
Me ? lol Nothing is preventing me , I know how to avoid those , it’s for the uninitiated that I’m worried about. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/23 "2020-12-28T18:10:17Z")
For someone that uses such language, we don’t care about your analysis . Go talk like that to your mom and dad. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/24 "2020-12-28T18:12:59Z")
So, can I have your spare stockpile of faction, deadspace, officer, etc modules? ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/25 "2020-12-28T18:14:17Z")
Sorry , I only run t2 fits, but go ask in 1-DQ local . I’m pretty sure they have plenty , or TEST space or whatever … ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/26 "2020-12-28T18:17:21Z")
lol. Anyways, your idea is bad for many reasons. 1: If ganking isnt possible then there will be 0 risk associated with hisec pve and people will farm practically infinite resources there at maximum efficiency 2: You insist that ganking has to stop because some people are doing it without a profit incentive, even though you yourself have explained that its easy to avoid ganks. Let the stupid die, that is eve 3: If what you ACTUALLY want is to get rid of the for-sport ganks, perhaps suggest a “rebalance” of ganking instead of its entire removal ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/27 "2020-12-28T18:21:51Z")
OK… On the matter of: 1. They do this in nullsec also under the “super umbrella” protection . Almost to 0 risk involved there too , so… this has to be fixed too… ; 2. I choose to care , everyone is free in choosing ; 3. I believe there are already a couple of opened topics on this matter, not going to open another one. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/28 "2020-12-28T18:23:51Z")
1: In nullsec people had to put effort into making that umbrella and its not perfect, plenty of people die mining and krabbing in nullsec. 2: So you care about people who dont or are dumb? Odd choice but sure 3: Yea, probably ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/29 "2020-12-28T18:31:03Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > Just by simply looking at zkill on said systems , you can see that suicide ganks happen there daily . Now, I’ve been playing this game for long , years ago , you could see a suicide gank happen in those systems once at a couple of months , not daily . The data is there for you on the table on zkill , just register a char on the page so you can browse more that 10 pages of losses and convince yourself . > I don’t have the time to do this for you. Not going to teaspoon feed you now “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” -Christopher Hitchens This is on the same of level conspiracy nutjobs shrieking “do your own research!” ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/30 "2020-12-28T18:34:36Z")
Look it’s not that simple , imagine a new player getting himself his first battleship , he buys it from Jita , t2 fits it , goes to a mission hub , accepts a mission , then undocks and this happens : > **[Raven Navy Issue | Khan Alleile | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89050883/)** > > Khan Alleile (Federal Navy Academy) lost their Raven Navy Issue in Osmon (The Forge). Final Blow by Aiko Danuja (The Conference Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 829,052,781.53 ISK > **[Vigilant | Wender Hony | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/88990249/)** > > Wender Hony (The Scope) lost their Vigilant in Osmon (The Forge). Final Blow by Buttercup Potemkin (New Order Mining Authority) flying in a Coercer. Total Value: 293,190,103.93 ISK > **[Rattlesnake | Cole Terr | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/88990052/)** > > Cole Terr (Strategic Exploration and Development Corp) lost their Rattlesnake in Osmon (The Forge). Final Blow by MrDiao (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 683,577,929.08 ISK > **[Rattlesnake | Edward Boirelle | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89310483/)** > > Edward Boirelle (The Scope) lost their Rattlesnake in Apanake (Genesis). Final Blow by MrDiao (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 856,780,698.87 ISK > **[Raven Navy Issue | 62 Liu | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89115700/)** > > 62 Liu (Avari Ring) lost their Raven Navy Issue in Apanake (Genesis). Final Blow by Commander Dirtbag (New Order Mining Authority) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 785,176,105.94 ISK Just to give you a few examples… Where are they being dumb there ? Do you see any DED/officer modules there to worth the gank ? No. This was done just for fun … and lols… and it’s being done way too often. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/31 "2020-12-28T18:37:04Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > I am not alowed to post here losses due to suicide ganking from zkill also tudor: > [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > Just to give you a few examples… ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/32 "2020-12-28T18:38:31Z")
First off, all those kills are of expensive ships that a newbie would probably not fly Secondly, 2 of those killmails actually do have bling. Shouldve looked better at your dataset… Thirdly, if they get ganked on their first time undocking in the ship, they hopefully learn what not to do next time, and should be able to replace their ship if they follow Rule One: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/33 "2020-12-28T18:41:06Z")
I do not know where you see “bling” in there . The Vigilant for example has none, as for the rest some have a module that’s like a 30-40 mil ISk… if you can consider that bling … ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/34 "2020-12-28T18:42:17Z")
1 of them has a Republic Fleet Large Battery, which is bling, albeit not much. Another has a Gist B-Type LSB, which is worth around 170M. THAT is bling. The others were probably done for shits and giggles though, yea. Or potentially some form of personal grudge ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/35 "2020-12-28T19:14:47Z")
Ok, so those had just a little bit of bling and were expensive hulls . But if they are expensive hulls,doesn’t necessary means that the player using them is a veteran… Then, what do you make of these ? : > **[Enyo | Xaen | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89444597/)** > > Xaen (Telepathic Death Mimes) lost their Enyo in Uemisaisen (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Aiko Danuja (The Conference Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 51,139,272.99 ISK > **[Hawk | Marga Severasse | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89351314/)** > > Marga Severasse (Federal Navy Academy) lost their Hawk in Ashokon (Genesis). Final Blow by Alleil Pollard (New Order Mining Authority) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 40,885,001.03 ISK > **[Rokh | webmgr | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89225754/)** > > webmgr (Once a Bandle Gunner) lost their Rokh in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Highsec Goddess' Swashbuckler (You May Worship Me) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 360,061,987.82 ISK > **[Vexor | Dr 4o | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89162858/)** > > Dr 4o (DIE-HARD PATRIOTS) lost their Vexor in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Just-Another-Code-Alt Auralis (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 40,343,906.75 ISK …and the list can go on. Probably the used destroyers in those ganks were more expensive than the ganked ship itself. No bling whatsoever, just t2 … ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/36 "2020-12-28T19:19:18Z")
Yea, CODE is weird ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/37 "2020-12-28T20:29:32Z")
Why should the CSM listen to any suggestion that can’t survive player scrutiny and build consensus. They are supposed to represent the interests of the players, not represent the interests of Tudor Toralen. Anyway, anti-gank threads are going to catch a lot of hostility on the forums. I’m sure you will disagree, but many of us believe that (1) avoiding ganks is not hard, (2) gankers are an important part of the player ecosystem, and (3) the only people who ask for ganking to be nerfed/removed are terrible players who would rather advocate for their opponents to be nerfed/removed entirely from the game than figure out how to get better and grow as players. I suggest you check out resources on how to avoid getting ganked. And, it probably wouldn’t be a terrible idea to get some actual experience with ganking before you start suggesting changes. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/38 "2020-12-28T21:11:07Z")
Ok… First of all I strongly suggest that you read the entire discussion on a forum post before posting . If you would have read what has been posting , you would have found out that I have absolutely no problem in avoiding ganks as I know all of the mechanics involved , all of the resources that the game and outside game tools can give you you avoid being ganked. This is not a new player you are speaking to, I have been playing this game for so long and have probably more experience that you can dream of , when it comes to what you can do in Eve Online and that includes doing suicide ganks and avoiding them ! Now, on that matter of what you have said: (1) It is for relatively new players that don’t have the “know-how” and CCP does not do anything about this , they don’t know where to search for information regarding this and certainly CCP ain’t providing it for them; (2) They are not . You are probably reffering to what others say : " good for the economy " . Well there’s not much they can do about that. The economy is probably f\* up beyond repair. This came with skill point inflation at first. A lot of players have gotten into bigger , better ships to print ISK out of nowhere from NPC bounties. To make matters worse, CCP introduced skill injectors , so more SP inflation, that connects dirrectly to ISK inflation , that gives you even more ISK inflation. In 2016 CCP made matters ever worse , they changed the mineral table for nullsec ore at the request of nullsec powerblocks and introduced the drone mining Rorquals . Rorquals which were supposed to be support ships for mining ops , not to mine like an entire fleet of Hulks alone. To put more salt on the wound, CCP gave the powerblocks in nullsec Sotiyos , that basically cut in half the build times of supers and titans. And here we are today , playing Titans Online and have the economy probably broken beyond repair. In the last 2 years CCP has made some timid attempts to fix this and most of them are just poorly executed and not for the best . Who benefited from these changes ? Exactly, the nullsec prowerblocks mostly, the already filthy rich in the game . It’s too late now that CCP is trying , they’ve build so many titans and printed so much ISK out of nothing , it just doesn’t matter anymore … And who has to lose from this ? The regular or new Eve player … but this is a discussion to be taken elsewhere. (3) That is your opinion there; Lastly, I am not asking here for CSM to represent my interests. I do not know how you have gotten this idea. I am advocating for the innocent that don’t have the knowledge and get suicide ganked for no reason at all , not even for profit . The amount of players that get suicide ganked in highsec just for fun gets bigger and bigger after every year, and believe me I’ve been playing for some good years. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/39 "2020-12-28T21:45:57Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > I am advocating for the innocent that don’t have the knowledge and get suicide ganked for no reason at all , not even for profit . ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/4/a/04afeff105a97004063bcc54df9a798cda5907fb.gif "Animated GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY") Oh no, l4 mission runners can be exploded. Those poor “new” players. If you ask me, getting ganked seems one of the best motivators to learn how not to get ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/40 "2020-12-28T21:52:22Z")
Your approach is barbaric . There’s no need to throw someone into a fire , so that he can learn not to play with it… Also , here I’m not considering just the mission runners , but also the haulers and miners and any other random stuff that gets suicide ganked for no reason at all , see some of the above linked zkill losses… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323.md?page=3)