# \[Proposal\]Remove Set safety to red in highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [December 28, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323 "2020-12-28T15:38:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Karynn\_Denton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karynn_denton/32/468090_2.png) [@Karynn\_Denton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karynn_Denton)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/81 "2020-12-29T17:06:47Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > It will not be as productive as just simply removing the ability to suicide gank in highsec . It will be infinitely more productive! You only need to educate 1 player and you’ll have saved more people than your proposal ever will. Because let’s face it, your proposal isn’t ever going to be implemented. Implement the change yourself - go forth and educate! ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/82 "2020-12-29T17:15:55Z")
Implemented or not, there is a real risk that suicide ganking could spiral out of control in the upcoming future . ---
**Author:** ![Karynn\_Denton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karynn_denton/32/468090_2.png) [@Karynn\_Denton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karynn_Denton)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/83 "2020-12-29T17:17:41Z")
Unless somebody who sees it coming gets out there in-game and warns everyone… _(That’s you Tudor! Stop fannying about on the forum and get to it!)_ ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/84 "2020-12-29T17:50:40Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > That’s why the option to set safety to red in highsec should be removed. What about setting the safety to red outside high sec, and _then_ entering high sec, should that be allowed? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/85 "2020-12-29T18:06:29Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > Implemented or not, there is a real risk that suicide ganking could spiral out of control in the upcoming future . This is what is known as a ‘slippery slope’ fallacy. there is zero evidence to support that maintaining the current state will lead to a degradation in the future state. In fact, there is ample evidence to support that any given target is unlikely to unwittingly suffer multiple suicide ganks - that is, _players learn from experience and adapt to the attacks_, leading to them not being a viable future gank target. Those who do not adapt and keep doing the same thing, expecting a different result, are willfully setting themselves up for failure and it is _nobody’s job to protect them from their own choices_ in a **video game**. CCP’s own analysis also show that ship losses to suicide ganking do not have a significant correlation to players quitting EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/86 "2020-12-29T19:14:41Z")
Have you considered that maybe Eve Online isn’t a game for you? Yes, I’m serious. No game is going to cater to every player, that’s just a fact. My wife plays Eve Online (by the way, she didn’t whined like this when she got ganked), Civ, Diablo… all games I play as well. However, she’s never going to play an FPS or sports game because those games don’t interest her. I’m not a huge fan of realistic shooter games. I enjoy Mass Effect, Destiny, and Fallout. But you won’t see me on the CoD forums asking for them to add space magic to their game. Why? Because that’s not what that game is about. Eve Online is over 15 years old. Ganking has been a part of its mechanics the entire time. And honestly, they’ve made it harder that it used to be for the most part. The recent resist nerf is one of the few patches that made ganking easier. Most of the time, its been made harder… but CCP has never shown any attempt to remove it from the game. Much like scamming players, it is part of Eve’s core. And there are players who play because of that playtime being available. There are a lot of things you can do to avoid being ganked. I’m not going to go through the list again because I’m seriously tired of going over it again and again. The major point is: ganking is part of Eve Online. If its something you cannot handle as part of your gaming experience, maybe Eve isn’t a game for you. Its not personal, it’s just how it is. Also, you’re pretty arrogant if you think you are above the scrutiny of other players and deserving of the CSM’s immediate attention. And the CSM can’t really do anything for you, except **maybe** bring your proposal to CCP. But I’m going to let you in on something: almost all of them are members of big power blocs or are small gang PvPers. Considering every power bloc has a group (officially or unofficially) that ganks and that small gang PvPers generally don’t have a problem with gankers, you’re not going to get a lot of sympathy… especially with the arrogant attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/87 "2020-12-29T19:17:17Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > The only places where you could set safety to red should be nullsec and j-space. If you are swtiching your safety in these areas of space in null and j-space to anything you don’t know how the safety works. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/88 "2020-12-29T20:28:05Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > And honestly, they’ve made it harder that it used to be for the most part. Tell me how did they made it harder , when now an alpha character can train for t2 guns for a Catalyst and can use a meta fitted Tornado ?!? An alpha character with a t2 fitted Catalyst can put up to ~700 DPS with heated guns … that is _insane_. As for the CSM part , I’m not here to beg . I know who they are, and I know probably some of them simply just don’t care , but it’s better than just doing nothing at all about it. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/89 "2020-12-29T20:29:29Z")
No, it should be automatically changed back to green. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/90 "2020-12-29T20:31:03Z")
I know it really doesn’t matter in there , doh … You’re missing the point of this discussion and posting just because you don’t have anything better to do … ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/91 "2020-12-29T20:33:44Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > CCP’s own analysis also show that ship losses to suicide ganking do not have a significant correlation to players quitting EVE. And what did you expected there ? To actually give us the truth , if there were players that have actually quit due to their game mechanics ? I highly doubt it ! ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/92 "2020-12-29T20:48:03Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > Tell me how did they made it harder I’m not going through 15 plus years of nerfs. > [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > An alpha character with a t2 fitted Catalyst can put up to ~700 DPS with heated guns … that is _insane_. Not really. Just learn to tank your ships. Learn the cloak+MWD trick. There are so many ways to avoid getting ganked. > [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > And what did you expected there ? To actually give us the truth , if there were players that have actually quit due to their game mechanics ? I highly doubt it ! Yes, CCP is lying about player retention works. They want to destroy their own game and kill their profitable game… Again, maybe Eve isn’t the game for you. I’m glad my wife isn’t like you. She actually learned how to avoid getting ganked and how to survive them. Damn, you’re sad. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/93 "2020-12-29T20:56:07Z")
Another one that doesn’t even bother to read the entire discussion before posting and that wants to teach me how to avoid getting ganked , because I as a 2008 player surrely don’t know how… Also you mentioned your wife twice while posting . We don’t care about you and your wife , we are not here to discuss you and your wife . Go have a happy life together 🙂 Have a good day ! ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/94 "2020-12-29T21:00:50Z")
> [@Tudor\_Toralen](#): > > It will not be as productive as just simply removing the ability to suicide gank in highsec . aaand there it is ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/3/a372475d65e5cde18f9d96b1c4e9d70914550eeb.gif) btw OP - _ **New EvE Players =/= children!** _ Stop treating them like babies, they are _gamers_ This psychological dumpster-fire of a thread seems like a good opportunity to post one of my favourite memes (lovingly crafted by the ever-so-gentle Pix Severus): ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/3/735e362926e2357d300854dba15eb22c2f838211.png) ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/95 "2020-12-29T21:09:49Z")
Funny enough . _But_, \*\*there are a lot of people that play this game and do just market trading , industry , PI, etc. Sure, there’s PvP there also , not in the form of combat , but there is . In the end, yes it’s a sandbox and everyone makes whatever he likes to make out of it, but not necessarily _combat PvP._ ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/96 "2020-12-29T21:28:34Z")
While CCP can help regulate PvP action in HS through adjusting things like CONCORD reaction times, bumping mechanics, WDs, FacPo responses, and other game play mechanics through “dial changes” in the coding, not once has either CCP or the CSM put any serious thought into entertaining the idea of HS turning PvP free. EVE PvP is essential to both the idea and development originally invisioned by CCP. Almost everyone is onboard with the concept, we just all argue on how much (or how easy) it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/97 "2020-12-29T21:33:12Z")
> [@Gaming513\_Tyler](#): > > 1 of them has a Republic Fleet Large Battery, which is bling, albeit not much. No. Just, no. Some A-type modules are worth less than a M each. Stop claiming BS like “it’s bling” when 80% of the value of the ship is in the hull. I would still like to have a look at OP numbers though. Looks like they are random “I think therefore they are”. ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/98 "2020-12-29T21:34:53Z")
I would have nothing against adjusting Concord response time based on standings for example or something else. But I would not be the first one to advocate such thing , this idea has been already proposed I think , I might be wrong , but certainly someone has proposed this already . Given the fact the response times for Concord are the same , I guess it wasn’t taken into consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/99 "2020-12-29T21:45:54Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > btw OP - _ **New EvE Players =/= children!** _ Stop treating them like babies, they are _gamers_ ![nods](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/4/e44fb1188dd2218b1d58815a1357f2c49d2c2f4b.gif) ![yess](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/0/a0d35f6c7019b70b2c7dcb61faf121125d3abcc5.gif) ![d67f465b747c](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/b/9b52d02dd7fb4b772ebf1d1d7edc5c4f2d662328.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Tudor\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tudor_toralen/32/247663_2.png) [@Tudor\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tudor_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323/100 "2020-12-29T22:05:08Z")
Well , if we think like this … then probably we should ask CCP to turn highsec into lowsec (basically remove Concord). I’m not sure how many new _gamers_ would stick around though. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-remove-set-safety-to-red-in-highsec/287323.md?page=6)