# Proposal to revert short-range ECM back to the "y-u-no-shoot?" button that it was **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 22, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376 "2018-11-22T20:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/1 "2018-11-22T20:46:45Z")
What if ECM at really short ranges would block the ability to target like it used to? That would make the GNI viable again, and make ECM useable in solo PVP. IMHO, solo ECM was what was most hurt by the recent change. Fleet ECM can still sit at range and permajam while being repped. Since the target of the jams can’t target the logi, the jamming ships are mostly safe, even more so given the range they usually engage at. Maybe a separate variation of ecm modules? Short range old school ECM? I also just really want my GNI back :3 > **[Damavik | Blath Wilt | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/70688284/)** > > Blath Wilt (Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry) lost their Damavik in Hikkoken (Black Rise) Total Value: 324,876,106.96 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/winston_onzo/32/98191_2.png) [@Winston\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Winston_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/2 "2018-11-22T21:12:23Z")
Solo wasnt hurt, it was ended, which was the main reason for the change. It’s been 2 months. Adapt or die. ---
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/3 "2018-11-22T21:14:56Z")
Ended, yes. They said ECM was changed to make it less frustrating and to give the jammed player some sort of agency. In the context of short-range jams, that agency would be in trying to get outside the jam range. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/winston_onzo/32/98191_2.png) [@Winston\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Winston_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/4 "2018-11-22T21:20:31Z")
Still viable in fleet, 2 jammers and they cant lock anyone up. ---
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/5 "2018-11-22T21:28:28Z")
oh. I thought that’d mean they can lock both up. I still want my anti-catalyst and anti-daredevil griffin navy though. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/winston_onzo/32/98191_2.png) [@Winston\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Winston_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/6 "2018-11-22T23:37:57Z")
I could be wrong. I was thinking that if two jammers lock you up, then you cant lock either one, but I might be mistaken ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/7 "2018-11-23T07:37:04Z")
Another clueless player who spread around the “adapt or die” motto… 🤪 What about trying to understand properly the new ECM mechanics and only after that going to post your opinions on this topic? ---
**Author:** ![Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sakura_hoshizora/32/207431_2.png) [@Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sakura_Hoshizora)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/8 "2018-11-23T08:56:09Z")
You can lock ALL ships jamming you. ---
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/9 "2018-11-23T10:05:12Z")
> **[Daredevil | 3DIRK | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/67974007/)** > > 3DIRK (Scheinselbstaendig) lost their Daredevil in Hasama (The Citadel) Total Value: 231,411,370.01 ISK Navy griffins were fun 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Riraille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/will_riraille/32/159031_2.png) [@Will\_Riraille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Will_Riraille)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/10 "2018-11-25T18:32:17Z")
I think that this is something that would be better implemented as a specific role bonus for the Griffin Navy, and _maybe_ the Rook, rather than a blanket “if at 0 you can laugh in y-u-no-shoot” mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/11 "2019-01-10T11:54:44Z")
This thread will not die while I am still alive. I’d love to have the GNI back still. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Khalifa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_khalifa/32/109552_2.png) [@Sienna\_Khalifa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Khalifa)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/12 "2019-01-21T22:25:56Z")
how about just reworking the modules so you only need to fit one and tank properly? ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/13 "2019-01-22T09:57:24Z")
You still can lock out on ship out of a fight if you have 4 or 5 staggered ecm modules on him but shhhh. ---
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/14 "2019-01-22T13:49:52Z")
Would you care to elaborate? :3 ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/15 "2019-01-22T16:23:01Z")
If I start putting tactics here, sooner than later a lot more people will start doing it, so no I am not elaborating but it is not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/16 "2019-01-22T19:04:55Z")
The only viable way to jam now is with drones. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposal-to-revert-short-range-ecm-back-to-the-y-u-no-shoot-button-that-it-was/122376/17 "2019-04-22T19:04:59Z")
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