# Proposed devs idea to flag rookie and SOE epic arc systems ingame **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 6, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584 "2023-02-06T17:02:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/41 "2023-02-08T12:54:35Z")
well that is an actual griefing ---
**Author:** ![Levedi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/levedi/32/514716_2.png) [@Levedi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Levedi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/42 "2023-02-08T22:45:27Z")
Yes Sir, but don’t forget that you can do all of these things in most of the other system without any consequences: - invite noobs to duel - baiting them on shoot suspect - throw cans and shoot them if they take it - stealing mission critical loot etc. if you do one of these in the selected systems, then these are “griefing”. This is why I am sending my proposal to the developers, to mark / flag these systems with some visuals (special icon, or a different color) to make the special systems easy to identify for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Levedi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/levedi/32/514716_2.png) [@Levedi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Levedi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/43 "2023-02-08T22:55:48Z")
would be a little bit harsh start for new players isn’t 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/44 "2023-02-09T06:42:00Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Inviting noobs to duel, or baiting them to shoot on suspect Oh Hek, that’s what I do in Hek! Since it’s a mission hub and also a stop on the SOE arc, does this mean I am at risk of griefing people? I have killed very young players in very badly fit very noncombat ships, and I usually reimburse if it’s not close to a fair fight, but I still do this. Is duel request spam in a trade hub bad? If so, I will stop. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/45 "2023-02-09T08:59:54Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > Is duel request spam in a trade hub bad? Not sure if and how bad it is but it is definitely not about trade hubs. > **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... > Players are advised to reconsider any aggressive action against new players in the following systems: > … > This Epic Arc mainly leads rookies to the following systems: > … > > - Hek You can read the full details and list of systems in the linked support article and make your own decision. Could also ask for clarification in a support ticket if you want and maybe they give a clear answer. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/46 "2023-02-09T13:10:44Z")
Since Hek is not a rookie system, but SOE epic arc one, then in my understanding, the only thing that is disallowed there is to (negatively) interfere with \<30days players who are doing epic arc missions there. It is nonsense really, say you are suspect baiting and you probe down MTU, then it is accidentally a \<30 days old player and he accidentally does SOE epic arc mission, how would you even know? He gets baited on your suspect and you are in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/47 "2023-02-09T14:44:55Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > that’s what I do in Hek! Since it’s a mission hub and also a stop on the SOE arc, does this mean I am at risk of griefing people? I Yes you are griefing if the ones running etc are under 30 days old. You cant tell aside from ■■■■ fits if they are an actual noob or an alt. But considering after career agents new players are guided into the soe arc it is griefing anywhere the arc is ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2023, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/48 "2023-02-10T06:52:49Z")
Ok. I don’t think I’ve killed any missioners, but idk I guess. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proposed-devs-idea-to-flag-rookie-and-soe-epic-arc-systems-ingame/394584/49 "2023-05-11T06:53:46Z")
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