# Protection for newbies required **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886 "2018-09-28T20:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/384 "2018-10-15T05:57:01Z")
> [@Kieron\_VonDeux](#): > > heh, all you need to do is look at Eve Offline status monitor with even a basic understanding of trend analysis in the context of the changes to this game in order to account for “longevity” of it, and the concern. Looks pretty stable for the last couple of years > [@Kieron\_VonDeux](#): > > Head/sand, comes to mind. Indeed ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/385 "2018-10-15T07:41:46Z")
> [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](#): > > Oh boy this one post is ripe for trolls to come in and party poop. > That being said I agree in theory but I also have to say your judgement is off, eve has been the same for years, hundreds or thousands have come through without your difficulties so I would ask that you examine your approach. By “Trolls” you mean people that don’t share your ridiculous sight on the game that that only consists of clashing and shooting each other like caveman? Well it was over the moment the ink under the contract CCP/PA had dried…live with it… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/386 "2018-10-15T07:43:45Z")
holy moly this PVP freaks still don’t get that the game will be moved into the mainstream area and that their “eve is a pvp game” time is done…the moment they finally realize it will be glorious 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/387 "2018-10-15T07:49:04Z")
You do know BDO is a PVP game right? Changes might happen to EVE for sure, but uh… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/388 "2018-10-15T07:49:12Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > holy moly this PVP freaks still don’t get that the game will be moved into the mainstream area and that their “eve is a pvp game” time is done…the moment they finally realize it will be glorious 😛 In the extremely unrealistic event that EVE core gameplay would completely change (after all the PvP sandbox is the absolute core of this game) I would simply stop playing and just play something else. What I would not do is hang around the forums any longer and cry endlessly about a game I no longer play like you do. Kinda pathetic really. Are you incapable of finding something you actually like to play? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/389 "2018-10-15T08:20:16Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > and just play something else Just curious: any particular game on the current market that you would play if such an event happened? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/390 "2018-10-15T08:27:04Z")
Gameplay looks different than it was and it profits veterans more than non veterans. Non veterans have to pay cash to keep up. All of that explained below. With no clone insurance costs, with mining rorquals instead of hulks, with cap ships having application of subcaps and DPS of capitals instead of having application and DPS like capitals, with citadels not dropping loot like POSes used to, with anomalies farming in carriers, what did small guy in EVE got to fight with these veterans? There is one thing supposedly… Skill Injectors. That means joining cap proliferation, its being part of the problem, its straight up buy PLEX, sell for ISK, buy injectors, inject. TiDI and blue donut awaits. CCP made all the changes specially to make more cash. But most people dont want to be part of it… for most people its staying in high, being wardeced or ganked. Rag-tag fleets with randoms in bombers. Straight up refusal of those changes that CCP made to extract more cash from players. There is nothing more to it. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/391 "2018-10-15T08:34:26Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Just curious: any particular game on the current market that you would play if such an event happened? Probably not another MMO. I have a huge steam backlog with games I want to play and sometimes do when I take a little break from EVE. And there are even more available for me now since Steam Play makes it easy to play almost all Steam games on Linux. The stuff I’m currently play on/off are: - XCom 2: War of the chosen - Magic The Gathering Arena - Skyrim (still not done) There isn’t just a lot of time for anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/392 "2018-10-15T08:36:55Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Skyrim (still not done) Is one ever done till you take an arrow to the knee. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/393 "2018-10-15T08:38:28Z")
They actually took that out I think. I never actually encountered an NPC saying that but only know about it from videos when it launched 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/394 "2018-10-15T08:39:40Z")
I’ll keep an ear out if I ever manage to get back to my game going already. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/395 "2018-10-15T08:42:35Z")
Why would they take it out? Such an iconic thing. :facepalm: ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/396 "2018-10-15T09:04:28Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > 90% of all high players simply wanted to be left alone… Which is amazingly easy to achieve if one is prudent. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > You do know BDO is a PVP game right? Shh, don’t upset the carebears’ hopes. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/397 "2018-10-15T11:16:11Z")
> [@Eve\_Griefer](#): > > Which is amazingly easy to achieve if one is prudent. Indeed, newbies don’t need protection, they need education. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/398 "2018-10-15T12:14:38Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Skyrim (still not done) I have all achievements, yet I still find new random quests… (not the radiant ones) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/399 "2018-10-15T13:05:53Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > holy moly this PVP freaks still don’t get that the game will be moved into the mainstream area and that their “eve is a pvp game” time is done…the moment they finally realize it will be glorious 😛 See my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/400 "2018-10-15T15:16:12Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > He considers himself to be somewhat of a hardcore gamer and ok with that. > > Long story short 3 months in he’s mining and gets ganked by a rapscallion from Code. > > He logged out and never logged back in, when he started bitching at me about it later in the week A hardcore player that gets put off by a single gank? Wardec I could understand, a one off loss? Sounds like he wasn’t really hardcore… ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/401 "2018-10-15T15:41:23Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Chicken](#): > > He’s not the kind of guy who can ask strangers for help with this kind of thing. It would be exposing too much of himself. It’s also not the kind of thing I can just give him a crash course on, he couldn’t keep the numbers straight. Do you get that? It also very much frustrated him when he found out he was being scammed for 10X or 100X the value of his stuff. I blame ccps choice of font and layout for displaying numbers – should use monospace font for numbers and align them same way (and always display to given accuracy – even if it means displaying .00), that way you could easily eyeball the digits as each digit would take precisely same amount of space when displayed. (so when you have two rows one being “111111” and other being “10000” you could trivially notice extra digit in the first one). ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/402 "2018-10-15T15:54:47Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Probably not another MMO. I have a huge steam backlog with games I want to play and sometimes do when I take a little break from EVE. And there are even more available for me now since Steam Play makes it easy to play almost all Steam games on Linux. > > The stuff I’m currently play on/off are: > > - XCom 2: War of the chosen > - Magic The Gathering Arena > - Skyrim (still not done) > > There isn’t just a lot of time for anything else. - Stationeers - Europa Universalis 4 - Stellaris - Mount and Blade - Grim Dawn - Kerbal Space Program - X3/X4/X Rebirth - ? ? ? I just can’t seem to find any other mmo than eve that can keep me playing it as most of them get boring pretty fast. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/403 "2018-10-15T19:23:23Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > I just can’t seem to find any other mmo than eve that can keep me playing it as most of them get boring pretty fast. That’s because they’re not true open world pvp sandboxes. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=18)