# Protection for newbies required **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886 "2018-09-28T20:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Lurem\_Sebra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lurem_sebra/32/148782_2.png) [@Lurem\_Sebra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lurem_Sebra)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/404 "2018-10-15T19:38:19Z")
The Best defence against scammers and gankers is one thats also great and used in reality it’s called Comon Sense, just cause something looks like a good deal doesn’t mean it is 😉 ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/405 "2018-10-15T20:29:04Z")
Totally agree with you… But some think a rookie in a heron with 3 days being scammed by CODE in rookie help is education, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/406 "2018-10-15T20:37:17Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > That said. PvP should change. It could provide a much gentler This is the point at which I vomited. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/407 "2018-10-15T20:46:45Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > But some think a rookie in a heron with 3 days being scammed by CODE in rookie help is education, lol. OK, there are so many things wrong with this that I just assume it’s a lie. First of all scamms in rookie help are not allowed. Second WTH do you want to scam a 3 day old rookie out of? His precious Atron? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/408 "2018-10-15T20:53:08Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Second WTH do you want to scam a 3 day old rookie out of? I’ve often wondered that same thing, yet 3 day old rookies get scammed and ganked all the time. RL good people role playing sociopaths? Or RL sociopaths taking advantage of lax rules? Does it even matter to the poor rookie? That’s the question, innit? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/409 "2018-10-15T20:57:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > yet 3 day old rookies get scammed and ganked all the time. No actually they don’t and that is a fact CCP has presented the numbers multiple times now. If you need to lie all the time to push your agenda, don’t you think something may be wrong with your goals? ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/410 "2018-10-15T20:57:57Z")
Though I agree with you, I still don’t think it would have helped him. I think it’s that such large numbers just become abstractions in his mind. Not something he can just brush up on or easily work around, I would think. He was only _so_ motivated to play, ya know? ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/411 "2018-10-15T21:41:36Z")
Still no need to let the minority(PVP) decide what all others(PVE) had to do by beeing able to force the way they look upon game to the majority… Simply lock them out from high and all are happy…the minority will be able to continue their precious strange hobby in low and 0.0 and EVERYBODY that enters low and 0,.0 will know the risk but those who DO NOT WANT PVP in any form have their save place… It’s simply not reasonable why this status quo was given to this game in first place…and it’s about time to correct this error… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/412 "2018-10-15T22:31:22Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Still no need to let the minority(PVP) Crack or Meth? I’m done responding to you, either you live in a fantasy world or are trolling on purpose, in any case your opinion is useless. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/413 "2018-10-16T00:11:24Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Chicken](#): > > Though I agree with you, I still don’t think it would have helped him. I think it’s that such large numbers just become abstractions in his mind. Not something he can just brush up on or easily work around, I would think. He was only _so_ motivated to play, ya know? There is difference between dyslexia and dyscalculia. Proper font and alignment helps with the former. The latter can’t really be helped - or at least I have no clue how one would go about doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/414 "2018-10-16T04:24:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/415 "2018-10-16T06:41:10Z")
Yes.ignoring the problem solves the problem in your world… Sad thing is it won’t even if you believe in this so strongly as you can… But this is something you guys will NEVER understand because your given world is as it is… Fanboy minds work this way… ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/416 "2018-10-16T09:33:58Z")
I’ve been a noob, i’ve been ganked, i’m still here… Explain to daddy how come? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/417 "2018-10-16T09:38:30Z")
Congratulations on being a probable exception. Also the main loss of players to ‘ganking/wars’ is probably not people who actually lose ships. It’s people who look at the mechanics which say industrial ships are simply in the game to be targets for gankers, that to compete with gankers they have to have an alt account, and keep to a whole bunch of arbitrary limits, and even if you do all of that a ganker can still gank you if they feel like it. And decide that they have better things to do with their time than play a rigged game. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/418 "2018-10-16T09:43:56Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Congratulations on being a probable exception People who can learn from their mistakes are probable exceptions? Do you imply that other people are complete idiots? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/419 "2018-10-16T09:47:22Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > Do you imply that other people are complete idiots? No, I only consider idiots those who don’t bother to read the rest of the post that says nothing about learning from mistakes and then answer something completely different. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/420 "2018-10-16T09:50:48Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > I’ve been a noob, i’ve been ganked, i’m still here OK you get a medal for masochism 🎖 , but do not be surprised that normal people do not have such a tendency … 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/421 "2018-10-16T09:51:45Z")
No, i just enjoy Eve. You on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/422 "2018-10-16T10:01:44Z")
It’s ok to be GANKED… the problem is people who are ass… trying to misled rookies into error, giving false information or just attracting them into traps. And yes CODE involved ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/423 "2018-10-16T10:07:08Z")
Then education is the need, not banning pvp from hisec as the other bears suggest. We need a better NPE explaining navigation tricks like MWD cloak trick and others, and a course about scamming. Not a stupid NPE that teach you to use the autopilot… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=19)