# Protection for newbies required **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886 "2018-09-28T20:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/465 "2018-10-17T14:27:01Z")
Likewise, Perfect example was a long time ago we wardecced a corp. They were pretty evasive but ran missions and tried to mine none the less. It was good old fashioned cat n’ mouse. With minutes left in the dec i homed in on someone who was running a mission. He warped out before i landed on grid and with only two minutes left in the dec he could just wait it out in station. Now back then aggression mechanics meant that shooting a persons wreck (even an rat wreck) was like shooting the player itself and started a 15 minute aggro timer. So i popped a wreck and waited outside this guys station. You can guess what happened. He waited for the dec to end and then undocked whilst i still had aggro on him. I popped his empty hauler (not his mission ship) and he warped off in his pod. Few seconds later he started a convo and simply asked how that was possible. I didn’t go ‘gf’ or taunt him. I explained what i did and what he should look for before undocking and then (after waiting the timer out) showed him how to ctrl-space after undocking and how to create insta-undocks. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/466 "2018-10-17T14:56:31Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Why do you play eve if not for the pvp sandbox? Honest question. If you like EVE but you don’t like PVP, then maybe it’s time to realise that you don’t actually like EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/467 "2018-10-17T15:00:08Z")
Nah, I don’t like explodey PvP in itself but I do like the opportunities it provides for how I wish to play. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/468 "2018-10-17T15:00:29Z")
I cant actually find another game to match it. It isnt for everyone and people need to read up before doing stuff. Virtually all the games out there now spoon feed players way too much, at the expense of game play and challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/469 "2018-10-17T15:13:40Z")
PVP is more than just shooting each other in the face. Player vs Player: whether that’s combat, market, power, control, scamming, extortion, high sec mining corps with ore buyback programs that are just scamming their members, competition as a whole. But also, shooting each other in the face. Someone who builds stuff to then sell it on the market tries his utter best to outdo others in cutting his costs, while trying to outdo the rest selling his wares at the best prices and locations. That is PVP. - the producer/trader sells his wares to get rich meaning he’s going to try and rip off others as much as possible. The pewpewer doesn’t like that obviously but he has to accept it or put in effort to avoid it. - In turn the pewpewer tries to get kills, loot, gank, control or extort the producer/trader as much as possible. Who obviously doesn’t like that but has to accept it or put in active effort to avoid it. Perfect harmony, you can’t have one without the other. Asking for high sec pvp to be removed would then also mean removing the option for miners to outdo other miners, producers to try and undercut others and force traders to all sell and buy at the same price. I too want a safe space where buy and sell orders are the same price at actual value, so I don’t have to deal with other people trying to get the best of me. And that also isn’t going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![HATHORFLUX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hathorflux/32/132894_2.png) [@HATHORFLUX](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/HATHORFLUX)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/470 "2018-10-17T15:14:17Z")
well… > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > the players community, at least the healthy one, no questions asked, this statement definitely shows the belief of a non-healthy or sick community… what a mistake… Which part of the word GAME you couldn’t understand? definitely you need help, fly safe… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/471 "2018-10-17T15:27:53Z")
Oh agreed, hence I specified explodey PvP. These people with the safe hisec idea have no idea what the removal of PvP there would actually involve. ---
**Author:** ![Estuary\_Algaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/estuary_algaert/32/27420_2.png) [@Estuary\_Algaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Estuary_Algaert)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/472 "2018-10-17T15:29:02Z")
As has been stated by others above, and is part of our corporations mission… Newbies need education and reliable, accurate, information to allow them to make real informed decisions on how they wish to engage the environment. also… > [@Markus\_Reinhart](#): > > too want a safe space where buy and sell orders are the same price at actual value, so I don’t have to deal with other people trying to get the best of me. And that also isn’t going to happen. funny thing, the value of said items in a “safe space” approaches zero since all but a few things cost are driven by player demand, effort, and risk. Glad you realize this will not happen, but this is also why you wouldn’t want it… your efforts would eventually have no value. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/473 "2018-10-17T15:32:11Z")
> [@Estuary\_Algaert](#): > > Newbies need education and reliable, accurate, information to allow them to make real informed decisions on how they wish to engage the environment. Knowledge shield, best shield. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/474 "2018-10-17T16:27:10Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > No, we completely get it, we understand that when we engage someone in non-consensual pvp, that we kill him and loot his wreck, we ruin his day. That’s the power of violence and you don’t understand that. No matter the quality of your arguments, no matter if you are right or wrong, i can force my will onto you by kicking your arse. And you know what? I love that. And you should be hindered to do that in 2018… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/475 "2018-10-17T16:28:51Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > That’s the whole point of eve. Full time pvp in a sandbox environment. To allow safe spaces would be detrimental to the economy and sandbox. It’s not going to happen. What you want is fundamentally not eve. THAT is the problem. > > Do you ask for safe spaces where you cannot be shot in other pvp games like battlefield? COD? Overwatch? Teamfortress? > > Why do you play eve if not for the pvp sandbox? Honest question. Then “the whole point of eve” needs to be updated to 2018…we don’t have 2003 anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/476 "2018-10-17T16:31:28Z")
Come if you dare, i’m waiting for you, right now i’m in J172842 close to the MRE-348 sig. But you are a good person, you won’t do the dirty work. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/477 "2018-10-17T16:36:20Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > Come if you dare, i’m waiting for you, right now i’m in J172842 close to the MRE-348 sig. But you are a good person, you won’t do the dirty work. You try to bait a self proclaimed non pvp’er and anti caveman with caveman PVP honor? Really? Look this is exactly what i mean… No understanding how the brain of PVE works whatsoever… I’m simply not INTERESTED in shooting another player …never…under no circumstances… You give the perfect example for your PVP buddies… Be proud… ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/478 "2018-10-17T16:37:11Z")
But you want to hinder someone who disagree… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/479 "2018-10-17T16:37:47Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > But you want to hinder someone who disagree… yep…by ccp doing it… ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/480 "2018-10-17T16:38:27Z")
you are lost without your daddy? ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/481 "2018-10-17T16:39:13Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > you are lost without your daddy? no…this is something about too much testosteron in your case…i’m not interested… ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/482 "2018-10-17T16:41:52Z")
Yes, put all your belongings into an industrial, fly from Jita to Amarr and see how it excites you. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/483 "2018-10-17T16:43:19Z")
> [@Omar\_Alharazaad](#): > > Truthfully, if I’m confronted with a victim who’s genuinely curious as about what just led up to their demise I’ll happily give them advice. Yeah I very well may, or if I’m not in the mood, I won’t. I reject this whole BS narrative that I’m like personally responsible for educating and retaining every noob I slaughter. In the words of James 315: “Retaining players is the developer’s job.” As a player, I’m only obligated to myself, to enjoy the game. I believe I do, in fact, help to retain players, but it’s more of a by-product of my ganking activities or an altruistic side project when the mood strikes me. Though, if I’m in an introverted mood and just feel like 'sploding some noobs and going about my day, It’s not as if I’ve done some egregious disservice to the game. You carebears are silly! Edit: Balos Tritapo GO BACK TO WoW! Hello Kitty Online is that-a-way------\> etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/484 "2018-10-17T16:43:35Z")
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