# Protection for newbies required **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886 "2018-09-28T20:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/505 "2018-10-17T17:39:25Z")
Replace ratter with a solo guy who wants to PvP. But its PvP anyway, right? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/506 "2018-10-17T17:43:30Z")
Right, so we’re not talking about noobs anymore. This is now whining at cyno’s and solo play? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/507 "2018-10-17T17:47:46Z")
I just think you should not be so judgemental and calling someone a moron just because he doesnt flee from 1 vs 1, because it can be a trap, not a moron. But, its very risky as everyone can see, so much that you should prepare counter for that, always. That is the logical thing in this case. Have cap, friends and cyno. Usual method these days. ---
**Author:** ![Zeek\_the\_Sneak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeek_the_sneak/32/101111_2.png) [@Zeek\_the\_Sneak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeek_the_Sneak)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/508 "2018-10-17T17:48:47Z")
many thanks, it is shocking how many out of game tools there are. this is a seriously dedicated bunch of players. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/509 "2018-10-17T17:48:50Z")
Do you mean being dropped by ■■■■ like that? > **[Loki | Mevatla Vekraspek | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/71321755/)** > > Mevatla Vekraspek (MVC Inc.) lost their Loki in Vecamia (Genesis). Final Blow by MILF Cougar (Sybian Innovations) flying in a Thanatos. Total Value: 904,121,345.08 ISK This happens, HTFU. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/510 "2018-10-17T17:50:38Z")
Right… But we don’t need to smother noobs in cotton wool and bubble wrap. We just need to teach them how to play smarter. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/511 "2018-10-17T17:51:12Z")
Hope this will help you. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/512 "2018-10-17T17:54:30Z")
I think you can see so much people fly drunk to forget about all of it and jumping in fights to have some fun anyway, without overthinking things. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/513 "2018-10-17T18:34:13Z")
Then post here any print from any player from me Being toxic to someone… You don’t know what you are talking. Never been like that . nice try ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/514 "2018-10-17T21:51:11Z")
It’s right here. You’re posts in this thread. > Just the attitude of some ass. and I never said pvpers as a whole where bad people, the problem are some that get bored or can’t beat people in low/null and try some killmails on players very new to the game > It’s ok to be GANKED… the problem is people who are ass… trying to misled rookies into error, giving false information or just attracting them into traps. And yes CODE involved > Totally agree with you… But some think a rookie in a heron with 3 days being scammed by CODE in rookie help is education, lol. You don’t seem to realise it, but your attitude to some players (in particular one group) is TOXIC. You deride gankers any chance you get and make claims against them with no supporting evidence. And then you attribute these activities to an entire group rather than the individuals responsible. To learn that you recruit and teach new players is truly shocking, upsetting even. You are most likely spreading this toxic attitude to new players and that really sucks. When people talk about new players being recruited into ■■■■ corps with ■■■■ leadership ruining peoples game before they can even get started, YOU are what we are talking about. You don’t know why people shoot new players. The vast majority of the time it happens you are not there. The most probable reason is, new players are attacked because wrong place wrong time. If you think about it, people don’t have the inclination to check whos new before they shoot someone else. They don’t check how old a character is nor can they know who’s an alt or not. It’s a lowest hanging fruit thing. The game whether you like it or not involves new players being shot (and it’s apparently good for retention). Its code doing their thing. Wardeccers doing their thing. Scammers doing their thing. They play the game how it’s made. Full time pvp. Sandbox. There are noob systems that have rules about griefing new players but anything outside of that is fair game. Understand that. And if you do one thing with your clearly miserable time in eve, help new players understand that. In 8 years i have seen very few cases of new players being deliberately targeted. One i can think of was where someone was sitting in a noob system spamming duel invites. And you know what? The community, wardeccers, gankers (including members of code) and bears alike disliked what they saw and brought it to CCP’s attention and changes were made. If it happens nearly as much as you suggest, you should start collecting evidence and posting it. Especially scams in rookie chat channels. But what are the chances you just make this ■■■■ up to push your agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/515 "2018-10-18T06:47:57Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Not toxic at all. Sarcasm goes beyond these people’s recognition, so I recommend rewriting your post without it. Yes, seriously. You want to reach into that person’s mind, apparently, and sarcasm is not going to help. Great post, btw! ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/516 "2018-10-18T07:10:55Z")
There is simply no need for the opportunity of PVP players to force their crude sight on the game on everyone in 2018. They can do this in low and 0,0,that’s more than enough space for this strange hobby… Bottom line… ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/517 "2018-10-18T08:39:13Z")
Praise James 315, the Saviour of Highsec!! ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/518 "2018-10-18T09:16:11Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Great post, btw! Thankyou. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > There is simply no need for the opportunity of PVP players to force their crude sight on the game on everyone in 2018. > > They can do this in low and 0,0,that’s more than enough space for this strange hobby… Unfortunately for you, it’s essential to the economy and risk/reward philosophy eve is built around. Why do you play eve? Honest question. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/519 "2018-10-18T09:34:50Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > it’s essential to the economy and risk/reward philosophy eve is built around. CCP should just close the hisec tradehubs, trade being a form of, often brutal, PvP; see how far people like Balos get then. I think the ramifications of what he’s asking for are completely lost on him tbh. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/520 "2018-10-18T09:54:57Z")
Loss is essential for keeping demand at certain level. But nowhere is said that it have to be veteran players killing noobs in high sec. You and I have seen people defending many things in EVE, that then were completely removed or changed. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/521 "2018-10-18T10:01:05Z")
There simply is no need for defenseless bottom feeders like yourself to have a say in anything! 😃 That’s the whole reason why you’re here! 😃 You never have a say in anything! Now you think there might be a chance that things might turn into a direction that makes you less of a powerless victim, so you keep posting here to give the impression as if you were anything but a powerless loser! 😃 Congratulations! You’re still a loser … … and everyone knows that! 😃 And the more you post, the more obvious to more people it becomes! 😃 And that’s ■■■■■■■ hilarious! 😃 You can’t silence me, I did nothing wrong. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/522 "2018-10-18T10:57:15Z")
Think you missed the word “some” in my post… All that text for nothing… Pay more attention next time ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/523 "2018-10-18T11:07:43Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Unfortunately for you, it’s essential to the economy and risk/reward philosophy eve is built around. > > Why do you play eve? Honest question. This is ■■■■■■■■ because there is no proof that another approach does not work…they simply tell you that for 15 years but that does not make it true… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/524 "2018-10-18T11:09:11Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > There simply is no need for defenseless bottom feeders like yourself to have a say in anything! 😃 > That’s the whole reason why you’re here! 😃 > > You never have a say in anything! Now you think there might be a chance that things might turn into a direction that makes you less of a powerless victim, so you keep posting here to give the impression as if you were anything but a powerless loser! 😃 > > Congratulations! You’re still a loser … > … and everyone knows that! 😃 > > And the more you post, the more obvious to more people it becomes! 😃 > > And that’s ■■■■■■■ hilarious! 😃 this is such a typical pvp concrete like “opinion”…bottomlessly stupid “because we did it this way for 15 years now so,regardless whats around us we don’t need no change”… Sad [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=24)