# Protection for newbies required **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886 "2018-09-28T20:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/570 "2018-10-18T17:01:22Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > A huge number Would be nice to actually know that number. How much of them in null, low, high, etc. šŸ¤” Also if some of them leave, that will make competition get more clients, its a balancing action, as less stuff will be produced, the prices will be adjusted again. Supply and demand. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/571 "2018-10-18T17:04:39Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > No it would notā€¦the change is at hand even if you deny it with claws and teethā€¦ Care to take a bet? Iā€™m sure you have some stuff left. Just say some concrete change you expect. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/572 "2018-10-18T17:06:22Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > And game will be changed to adopt to year 2018. Also for you, care to take a bet. You sound so sure about those changes. Tell us what exactly will change and if I disagree we make a bet. Or are you just talking? ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/573 "2018-10-18T17:08:33Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Or are you just talking? Yup I am just talking , and waiting, Time will tell šŸ˜Š ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/574 "2018-10-18T17:12:20Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > Time will tell šŸ˜Š How long will you wait? Well at least we know now you donā€™t believe that bs yourself ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/575 "2018-10-18T17:26:34Z")
The game will probably be dead before he gets what he so desperately craves šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/576 "2018-10-18T21:10:37Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > > Or are you just talking? > > Yup I am just talking , and waiting, > > Time will tell šŸ˜Š Talking indeed, but not through your mouth. Perhaps EVE might become a bit more like BDO in terms of PVP but that still wonā€™t be enough change for the carebears. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/577 "2018-10-18T21:13:58Z")
Or BDO may become a bit more like EVE. They bought CCP for their expertise and IP and not to teach them how to make a game better after all. Maybe I should reserve [fisherbumping.com](http://fisherbumping.com) ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/578 "2018-10-18T21:29:08Z")
they bought CCP for Serenity. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/579 "2018-10-18T22:47:12Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > They bought CCP for their expertise and IP and not to teach them how to make a game better after all. Easy to believe lies when itā€™s what you want to hear. Common sense dictates that buying a game to learn how to bleed money and hemorrhage players is not why they bought it. They also didnā€™t buy it for any of the other hokey reasons in that ā€œAMAā€ of theirs. For the IP maybe. But owning the IP in no way means they will not change the game completely. Thereā€™s a reason the previous investors bailed. And itā€™s not because they didnā€™t know what to do with all the money they were making. Mr Epeen šŸ•¶ ---
**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/580 "2018-10-18T22:52:53Z")
Simplifying ownership of an IP can also allow for more difficult strategic decisions to be made. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/581 "2018-10-19T05:33:27Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Easy to believe lies when itā€™s what you want to hear. > ā€¦ > Common sense dictatesā€¦ > ā€¦ > For the IP maybe. But owning the IP in no way means they will not change the game completely. I know, itā€™s far more edgy too steer up some controversy or proclaim the end is coming this days. Not like this is reason #87436 why EVE is dying. And as soon as it turns out that wasnā€™t the case you will all turn to the next and proclaim the same thing. Not sure how YOUR common sense works, but mine tells me that they didnā€™t pay 400mil to push changes to a 15 year old game that works mostly and has a loyal fanbase in a obscure niche of the market. EVE isnā€™t that important of itself. It is however a good model how to make a game that runs successfully for 15 years, which is an extremely long time for every piece of software especially for a game. The IP simply gives them access to one of the most iconic sicfy universes there are for any amount of future titles. But yeah, if you canā€™t resist, give yourselves to the hope that PA will make EVE into carebear wonderland and the perfect 100% secure mining simulator or a heaven for credit card warriors. Itā€™s not like this is the first timeā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/582 "2018-10-19T05:51:30Z")
I think gigx is behind pearl abyss, he bought EVE so he can burn it to the ground. šŸ˜ˆ ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/583 "2018-10-19T05:51:50Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > but mine tells me that they didnā€™t pay 400mil They did pay 225 000 000 $, and maybe theyā€™ll pay 200 000 000 $ more but only if CCP meet some financial goals in future. Taking into account that they have paid 225 000 000 $ companies with 40 000 000 $ reserves in the bank means that they have so far paid only 185 000 000 $ source: [Eve Online maker CCP Games sells to Black Desert Online's Pearl Abyss for $425 million | VentureBeat](https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/06/black-desert-online-creator-pearl-abyss-acquires-eve-online-maker-ccp-games-for-425-million/) ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Alharazaad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omar_alharazaad/32/253881_2.png) [@Omar\_Alharazaad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omar_Alharazaad)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/584 "2018-10-19T12:48:29Z")
Oh. Donā€™t get me wrong, Iā€™m not obligated by any means. Itā€™s just an old habit thatā€™s stuck with me from back in the days of the Devils doing their recruiting through their victim pool. It depends on the attitude of who Iā€™m dealing with. I would be hypocritical as hell to call myself an altruist, Iā€™m out there for fights and ideally wins. Just sometimes someone catches my interest and starts asking the right questions, in those cases I tend to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/585 "2018-10-19T13:26:23Z")
In agreement, if it ainā€™t broke, donā€™t fix it. Learn from the way it works and exploit the IP in other ways. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/586 "2018-10-19T21:06:56Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Lol. Oh it will adapt - by crashing through the floor removing all meaning for a huge number of players who only play this game to build things. There is a reason CCP kept an economist on staff for so long, and a reason a healthy economy is front of mind for most of the new game changes CCP does. A huge number of people play this game to interact primarily with the unique economic simulator that is Eve Online. > > This game needs destruction to keep going. CCP has failed at creating enough of it and the effects of it are clearly evident in the high PLEX prices and difficulty for newer players to get into the industrial game. My view is that it is this - the faltering economy - that is a major, if not primary, problem with the game right now keeping new entrants out and decreasing the player numbers. It is harder than ever for a newer player to break into the industrial scene. Years ago, you could PLEX an account in a few hours of work, even as a newer player. Now, only the most organized and connected players can do so, and the alpha experience just isnā€™t compelling enough to keep people logging in long term. Too much production, not enough destruction. > > Eve and its economy are on a knifeā€™s edge right now, and I worry a complete fail cascade is just over the horizon. Sure, the game wonā€™'t die even in this scenario and the economy will adapt, but it will be a much less vibrant game, with many fewer players. > > Newbies arenā€™t the problem: it is the veterans who exploit all the safety and wealth CCP has shoved into the game because ā€œthink of the childrenā€ starving it of content and undermining the meaning of the game for short-term gain. The sad thing is that many at CCP see this, but are unable to find the courage to do what is necessary to ensure the long-term health of the game. > > Oh well. Yes,the game will die as it has died for 15 yearsā€¦ Why is it always so that if a change to a more mainstream approach for the game is discussed that is different from the course the game has sailed the last 15 years the game always will perish and on the other hand if a no.change is argumented the main opinion is that "we did it for 15 year now and eve is still living beside ā€œall those that said eve will dieā€? So if it fits your opinion eve is strong and tough but if not the game is a snowflake in the sun? A little bit too easy i thinkā€¦ Why should a change to mainstream let the game melt like said snowflake beside the fact it has survived in the sun for 15 years now? The game should be strong enough to stand a change to mainstream even if PVP players ragequit because they canā€™t kill in high anymore. PVP in high is dispensableā€¦ This is not what will kill eveā€¦a standstill willā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/587 "2018-10-19T21:43:23Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Why is it always so that if a change to a more mainstream approach for the game is discussed that is different from the course the game has sailed the last 15 years the game always will perish and on the other hand if a no.change is argumented the main opinion is that "we did it for 15 year now and eve is still living beside ā€œall those that said eve will dieā€? Because thatā€™s what usually happens when you take a niche product and make it more mainstream. Itā€™s what happens when you remove the main reason people were using the product in the first place. To quote the new player faq; > The **essential core concept of EVE Online** is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox > environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can > engage another player at any time in any place. In high-sec space there > may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they > can still make that attack if they wish. In low-sec and null-sec, there are no > limitations to PvP at all.ā€™ What you want is fundamentally **not eve**. Or to use the words above, _essentially_ not eve. What you want is a different game. So rather than taking away what makes eve what it is, why donā€™t you play something else? Which brings me back to this. Why do you play eve? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/588 "2018-10-19T22:17:14Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Why is it always so that if a change to a more mainstream approach EVE is mainstream for itā€™s particular niche, sandbox games. If you want mainstream PvE go play WoW. Quit trying to selfishly change this game to suit your own personal tastes when in fact you should not join a PvP game if pixel death makes you so emotional. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/589 "2018-10-19T22:22:04Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > If you want mainstream PvE go play WoW Everything should be turned into a WoW clone. Including Tetris and Pacman. Because then they will make the same insane money. Someone hurry to the forums of those game publishers and tell them about this mainstream opportunity they are missing out on. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=27)