# Protection for newbies required **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886 "2018-09-28T20:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/652 "2018-10-22T07:27:33Z")
> [@HATHORFLUX](#): > > not zombies, zombies move, those are dead. It was a joke (apparently not a very good one…) ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/653 "2018-10-22T07:56:57Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > actually experience and talking with players before, during and after wars - or not when they dont come back… > > You? Ohhhh… I get it! This poster believes that anecdotes are actually relevant data. We can all now safely ignore his opinions forever. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/654 "2018-10-22T08:19:20Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Chicken](#): > > We can all now safely ignore his opinions forever. There is no **We** , there is only one **You**. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/655 "2018-10-22T08:37:23Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Chicken](#): > > This poster believes that anecdotes are actually relevant data. Ohhhh… I get it! This poster believes that anecdotes are actually relevant data. We can all now safely ignore his opinions forever. Ironic how that works… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/656 "2018-10-22T08:45:26Z")
Funnily enough anecdotes are relevant data points, hence why CCP asks people for exit survey information. It’s just not statistical data, but anecdotes do provide a window into peoples thinking & feeling, and when you are selling a product those are certainly important things to the company. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/657 "2018-10-22T11:56:19Z")
YEP… All that was written in this thread has NOTHING to do with people leaving the game in the world of some people… Must be coincidence,WE have nothing to do with it and ANYONE that claims that WE could have triggered everything with our pure behaviour must be indeed a terrible carebear who just does not begrudge us the fun we are having,because WE are the only players that play the game in the RIGHT WAY… THIS is the problem of this game… Nobody is guilty but people are still leaving… ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/658 "2018-10-22T12:25:18Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Nobody is guilty but people are still leaving… They might just be leaving because of your crap quality posting. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/659 "2018-10-22T12:45:06Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Nobody is guilty but people are still leaving… The population is actually stable. Why do you have to lie about stuff like that? How about you just build your argument on the truth, that **you** can’t handle the game and require more safety? ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/660 "2018-10-22T12:53:06Z")
I just want more newbies to last so i actually have more to shoot at and play with in the long run tbvh ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/661 "2018-10-22T13:11:39Z")
So you want to farm noobs Neato ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/662 "2018-10-22T13:15:25Z")
dribble dribble gfaw werp derp wibble make sense? nah, neither do you. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/663 "2018-10-22T13:24:58Z")
Globgogabgalab, get out with your schwibble wibble dabble dab ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/664 "2018-10-22T13:25:19Z")
exactly ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/665 "2018-10-22T13:31:28Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > I just want more newbies to last so i actually have more to shoot at and play with in the long run tbvh There are just a few things that you should think about here: - Newbros as not children we need to care for endlessly they are gamers locking for a spaceship game that maybe involves shooting spaceships. - It is very very rare that Newbros are complaining about those mechanics it is almost always older player claiming to speak for the Newbros. - Every measure to make Newbros more secure will remove them from the spaceship action that may actually hook them to the game and will be abused 10x more by older players to make their doings more secure. - There is simply no evidence that Newbros are singled out or under onslaught from older players. All metrics from the past, metrics from killboards, even the newest CSM minutes state that Newbros are not the main target. If you are concerned that Highsec is such a mean place then look at the data that comes directly from zkillboard: [Where are new characters getting killed?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007) Even within their first 90 days, the BIG MAJORITY of kills happen in low, null and wh space and not in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/666 "2018-10-22T13:37:42Z")
where maybe but why is not encompassed, and therefore lacks context. Also of those new players how many are alts? And so on, its like a part of a report but lacks specifics for me to look at so i can really only go on the past though recent recruits for my my recent corp suggests many just leave because they cant make enough isk to plex tbvh. Sorry running missions in nullsec atm so a bit pre occupied xD ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/667 "2018-10-22T14:28:27Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > many just leave because they cant make enough isk to plex tbvh. Oh my dear little CEO, the PLEX lifestyle is NOT a highsec problem, that’s just a seriously toxic goal that will wear everyone out, ESPECIALLY new players. The best thing you can do is to discourage this behavior and tell them to stay alpha or pay for a subscription. But under no circumstances should they grind for a PLEX! It’s just an endless toxic cycle of grinding a month to pay for the next month of endless grinding. It’s a trap that will drain their little souls. Also why do you link this to highsec? Because you think they would have more profit if they would be more secure? The more secure highsec gets the more will the locust swarms that just grind down every resource flourish and devalue all the resources those new players could gather, which would make it even harder for them to earn ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/668 "2018-10-22T14:31:38Z")
in more or less their own words null and low is too dangerous and i cant afford to lose a ship if im grinding for plex reality is far far different though… plus some people for some reason dont want to train for drakes when planning on running a lot of missions which i must admit is utterly soul destroying; i think anoms are worse though for… how you say… trying to stay awake whilst running them. Also many seem to want to do all that solo… which is odd because rarely do they want to try out solo pvp… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/669 "2018-10-22T15:41:46Z")
Yeah but do you see that the actual problem is that they are caught in a trap of their own making? It is no wonder they quit. Even if they would earn twice the amount they do from farming missions or mining they would burn out sooner or later. You should only ever pay your sub with PLEX if you make that money completely effortless. You really have to teach them that. There is no amount of changing game mechanics that will fix this. And really, the best thing that could happen to such a player is if his ship gets destroyed and this cycle gets broken by force. Some may immediately quit, but they would have anyway, at least they get a chance that way. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/670 "2018-10-22T15:54:40Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > The population is actually stable. Why do you have to lie about stuff like that? How about you just build your argument on the truth, that **you** can’t handle the game and require more safety? The truth is don’t ever trust statistics that you haven’t falsified yourself… That’s the bottom line of all… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886/671 "2018-10-22T15:55:30Z")
> [@Markus\_Reinhart](#): > > They might just be leaving because of your crap quality posting. Or maybe because of your repeatingly crap quality answers? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/protection-for-newbies-required/109886.md?page=31)