# Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [June 29, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073 "2020-06-29T13:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/284 "2020-06-30T15:40:02Z")
> [@Kadesh\_Priestess](#): > > I was talking about negative impact for the open world right away, scroll up. And draining players from the open world is a negative impact on the open world, try to argue with that šŸ˜› I donā€™t view it as a negative impact on the open world at all. Itā€™s simply something else for people to do. Even if I accept, arguendo, that its a negative impact, itā€™s a tiny, limited one - 15 minutes at a time over a 3 day window, or a 10 day window at most. If folks like it and they have fun, thatā€™s a net positive. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/285 "2020-06-30T15:42:07Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > No, it was not that World PvP had no purpose, it was fine until instanced PvP was added. > > Anyway, exploiter turned CSM, I have wasted enough time on you. You have no idea what youā€™re talking about on either issue, and itā€™s pretty pathetic that you felt the need to spread that lie in order to ā€œwinā€ an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/286 "2020-06-30T16:02:06Z")
I thought you raged quitā€¦ Come play in the new arenaā€¦bet you will have fun. Give it a try, then maybe some may take your concerns seriously. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/287 "2020-06-30T16:15:15Z")
So this was your idea??? History is there and its greatest value is prevail past mistakes so humankind avoidā€¦ somewhat ā€¦ its repeatingā€¦ History full of examplesā€¦ and people presenting this and it has bad impactā€¦ Obviousā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/288 "2020-06-30T16:17:33Z")
and oh it was different game this is different gameā€¦ is pretty much same thing saying oh that happened in another country another ageā€¦ we are differentā€¦ that wont happenā€¦ uuuups! the way you are defending is fundamentally broken and not logic reasoning even ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/289 "2020-06-30T16:17:43Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > So this was your idea??? /sigh No. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/290 "2020-06-30T16:24:26Z")
Blame Brisc for the red dots, however. šŸ˜‰šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/291 "2020-06-30T16:33:56Z")
Then gratzā€¦ you are defending it as yours and entering arguments with other pilots with no single doubt. We are here to share our opinions and talk about the subject and how it may impact our game play ā€¦ And we are coming from different backgrounds and play stylesā€¦ Impacts will be different degree on different areas of game ā€¦ some people who play this game believe or not doesnā€™t live in blue donut and dedicated their most of time by producing /farming or do PvP only for defending our profits. There is different breed of pilots exists in EvE who does PvP for the sake of PvP and they are all reacting here because They can see what is comingā€¦ i can fully understand that might be difficult to see things through that perspective ā€¦ But instead of full throttle defendingā€¦ you may choose to go for ā€œintellectual humiliationā€ and begin to question what you are defendingā€¦ Hopefully And you are a Presentative . A diplomat ā€¦ our voiceā€¦CSM ā€¦ you should supposed to be presenting us thereā€¦ with all colours and variations ā€¦ not taking mouth fights with people who is presenting their perspectivesā€¦ behave like oneā€¦ Please. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/292 "2020-06-30T16:37:13Z")
The thing I am struggling with is, how does this directly benefit Goonswarm? Surely there must be some pro-null grift buried in this somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/293 "2020-06-30T16:42:09Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > Then gratzā€¦ you are defending it as yours and entering arguments with other pilots with no single doubt. Iā€™m having a conversation with other players and explaining why I donā€™t think itā€™s the end of the world. > [@bluelysian](#): > > you may choose to go for ā€œintellectual humiliationā€ and begin to question what you are defendingā€¦ Hopefully Oh, right. I get it. Other folks are allowed to speculate, bring their views to the table and share their opinions, just not me. > [@bluelysian](#): > > And you are a Presentative . A diplomat ā€¦ our voiceā€¦CSM ā€¦ you should supposed to be presenting us thereā€¦ with all colours and variations ā€¦ not taking mouth fights with people who is presenting their perspectivesā€¦ > behave like oneā€¦ Please. The reason why Iā€™m here, reading and engaging with folks is because Iā€™m a representative. If I werenā€™t, I wouldnā€™t be here. As I have to repeat every time we have one of these discussions, just because I donā€™t agree with you doesnā€™t mean Iā€™m not listening and passing on your concerns. But that doesnā€™t mean that Iā€™m not going to share my outlook, too. ---
**Author:** ![Dirk\_Kajhone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dirk_kajhone/32/419135_2.png) [@Dirk\_Kajhone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dirk_Kajhone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/294 "2020-06-30T16:44:35Z")
In general, I think theyā€™re going in the right direction with this. Making get in/play something interesting/get done in typical session/get decent rewards gameplay possible. I also like that it focuses on PvP, and changes up the situation so people canā€™t just settle on one OP build and farm. I _especially_ like the formats that make use of more accessible ships. However as is always the case with CCP, the devil is in the details, and the implementation. I feel the single worst aspect of the Abyssal content has always been the ā€œcomplete before timer or lose everythingā€ mechanic. Especially in a game with short timers and often shaky connections/stability, this was a bad design then and a worse design now. Short quick play only works if a match is found in a short quick time. For queues to find matches, they need a lot of people in them. Lots of people mean the risk/reward ratio is interesting to more than a few PvP players. Risk/reward is already high in PvP unless youā€™re going in with very good builds or very good skills. Winning at PvP tends to favor better builds. ā€œWin, or die, or wait for timer and all dieā€ tends to favor cheap builds, or extreme success builds. Which means more casual players are going to either lose, or die on the timer. Which again limits player interest. ā€œIf one team doesnā€™t win, everyone dies on the timerā€ leads to potential griefing and scenarios where if a team canā€™t win, they just try to prevent the other team from winning so everyone dies. To me, this looks like setting up to fail, because a lot of effort is put into creating a system that looks interesting on paper, but that only 5% or less of the players take any interest in. Hello, Walking in Stations, are you still out there? ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/295 "2020-06-30T16:57:21Z")
ā€œā€"ā€œIā€™m having a conversation with other players and explaining why I donā€™t think itā€™s the end of the world.ā€""" We are not talking about End of the World hereā€¦ But we again presenting how this will impact our game play. Being not ā€œend of the worldā€ does not make something less harmfull in future scope for many different play styles neither deserve to be underestimated ā€¦ ā€œā€""ā€œOh, right. I get it. Other folks are allowed to speculate, bring their views to the table and share their opinions, just not me. ā€œā€ā€""" Oh of course you are free to present your OWN opinions hereā€¦ but when someone is presentative ā€¦ people would love to see you are capable to understand other sides perspective ā€¦ not totall self loathed and full of your opinions and advocating. You are here not only for yourself but as well as for us tooā€¦ ā€œā€"""ā€œThe reason why Iā€™m here, reading and engaging with folks is because Iā€™m a representative. If I werenā€™t, I wouldnā€™t be here. As I have to repeat every time we have one of these discussions, just because I donā€™t agree with you doesnā€™t mean Iā€™m not listening and passing on your concerns. But that doesnā€™t mean that Iā€™m not going to share my outlook, too.ā€"""""" Thats very nice ā€¦ hope you can reflect this beautifull your theory and idea of yours and apply the way of you are communicating others tooā€¦ I think this self awareness helps you to improove also in your personal competances tooā€¦ Just think about it ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/296 "2020-06-30T17:09:53Z")
It was my idea. Among others. Actually people asked for it. ---
**Author:** ![Elle\_Mendez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elle_mendez/32/297262_2.png) [@Elle\_Mendez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elle_Mendez)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/297 "2020-06-30T17:21:29Z")
Totally agree with each point. The game is richest when the content is dynamic and unexpected due to the shared world and limited rules. The direction of travel here more of a concern rather than this specific change. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/298 "2020-06-30T17:23:22Z")
There is independent organisations like Monster Reborn SES 5v5 EvE skirmish those people standing up there in this sand box game which we all claim free economy and natural habitatā€¦ and they are doing best they can to keep this competetive side of game alive. great motivation and effort. And most beautifull thing is ā€¦ this is Player driven activity . Actually it has already exists ā€¦ and most hillarious wayā€¦ as it should be in a Sand box game ā€¦ Its awsome because its all players driven ! i deeply respect and greatfull for the work those people pulling and about application ā€¦ strongl suggest to read this post . [Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/294) Because he has a point. Fact 1 : Risk aversion is GREAT PROBLEM in New Eden Fact 2 : Balance in game already tipped over and its not behalf of fighters And CCP aware about those two major issues ā€¦ trying to do something . But doesnt see fine and clean . at the end what they do is nothing else than throw more wood into fire ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Elle\_Mendez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elle_mendez/32/297262_2.png) [@Elle\_Mendez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elle_Mendez)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/299 "2020-06-30T17:29:21Z")
Agreed, the space around you should matter and another magic carpet ride isnā€™t going to help that sense of geography that gives EVE some of itā€™s structure and definition. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/300 "2020-06-30T17:29:22Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > Actually it has already exists But not everyone knew about it, it being actually institutionalized is only making it more accessible, dont u think? ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/301 "2020-06-30T17:38:55Z")
Yes i am totally agreeā€¦ therefor in my own post i suggested that CCP must encourage and empower these kind of players and advert their efforts . This is absolutely not favoritism There is some corporations or either organisations like those they are totally community on focuse and serving to community with nearly no return tormendous amount of time and energy they use on it ā€¦ This is link discord of SES 5v5 Scrims discord ā€“ there is nearly 700 pvp players who is after competetive PVP and currently 300 people onlineā€¦ this number is great actuallyā€¦ > **[Join the 5v5 EvE Scrims Discord Server!](https://discord.com/invite/aJNpaA)** > > Check out the 5v5 EvE Scrims community on Discord - hang out with 559 other members and enjoy free voice and text chat. And this is Monster Reborn discord > **[Join the Monsters Reborn Discord Server!](https://discord.com/invite/TAwh7J)** > > Check out the Monsters Reborn community on Discord - hang out with 411 other members and enjoy free voice and text chat. I think CCP give more encouragement and empower to the players to take initiativeā€¦ instead of inhibiting ā€¦ and giving them some easy way outs like that ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/302 "2020-06-30T17:40:22Z")
> [@Fish\_Hunter](#): > > Some may not like battle arenas but thatā€™s exactly what AT was and nobody was ever mad about that. Nobody? Battle arenas do not belong in EvE. The AT was a once a year exception to the rule. This is a permanent change to the sandbox and one of the core principles of EvE. > [@Fish\_Hunter](#): > > Proving conduit players actions do have influence on the eco-system. They buy and lose stuff. The idea behind EvE was you are not safe when you undock. This changes that, for the worse. > [@Fish\_Hunter](#): > > They spend time doing this instead of other activities. They should be able to get shot at by other players. That is what EvE promised to be for 17 years. The slippery slope of the Abysmall space introduction is becoming real. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/303 "2020-06-30T17:42:34Z")
> [@Katyusha\_Lisa](#): > > But it does have an effect on the eco system, more mining more farming Amarr LP and more manufacture of navy slicers for those of us that make the toys PvP breaks Yes it does. But not in the way CCP has promised for the last 17 years: you are never safe from other players. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=16)